Sodium hypochlorite and alkyl benzene sulfonic acid

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the compatibility and potential reactions between 7% Sodium Hypochlorite and alkyl benzene sulfonic acid. Participants explore concerns regarding chemical interactions, safety, and possible byproducts when these substances are mixed.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that mixing bleach (sodium hypochlorite) and detergent (alkyl benzene sulfonic acid) may not pose a problem.
  • Others warn that mixing these substances could potentially produce chlorine gas, especially if the pH shifts below 7 due to the acidity of the sulfonic acid.
  • One participant mentions that 7% sodium hypochlorite is more concentrated than the typical 3% found in grocery stores and emphasizes the risks of mixing these chemicals.
  • There are concerns raised about the production of dichlorine monoxide, which is also noted to be poisonous and irritating.
  • Some participants discuss the reactivity of chlorine with alkylbenzene sulfonic acid, noting that while both groups are generally inert, reactions could still occur.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the safety and compatibility of mixing sodium hypochlorite with alkyl benzene sulfonic acid. There is no consensus, as some believe it is safe while others highlight significant risks.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the pH levels and the potential for gas production without providing definitive conclusions on the exact reactions or safety measures required. The discussion includes varying levels of concern and assumptions about the chemical properties involved.

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Hello, wondering if anyone can confirm if 7% Sodium Hypochlorite and alkyl benzene sulfonic acid are compatible to mix together? Any concerns or reactions to be aware of?
 
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Bleach and detergent - not a problem.
 
RStone said:
Hello, wondering if anyone can confirm if 7% Sodium Hypochlorite and alkyl benzene sulfonic acid are compatible to mix together? Any concerns or reactions to be aware of?
.Scott said:
Bleach and detergent - not a problem.
Possibly a big problem. Something like tosyl acid (pKa < 0) is acidic enough that, mixed in excess with hypochlorite, can shift the pH to < 7, producing chlorine gas. I recommend a fume hood if this reaction is unavoidable.
 
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Dipped my sponge in dishwater that had a little bleach added then scrubbed counter with a little Comet. After coughing and wondering if scented laundry sanitizer had caused the irritation in my lungs, I took zinc, quercetin and mullein and READ INGREDIENT list on Comet then visited duсоduсkgo.соm and this site. I'd avoid repeating.
 
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7% sodium hypochlorite is more concentrated than the typical grocery store 3% or so concentration. The sulfonic acid is or is approximately a strong acid . DO NOT mix these! Possibly chlorine gas to be produced!
 
TeethWhitener said:
Possibly a big problem. Something like tosyl acid (pKa < 0) is acidic enough that, mixed in excess with hypochlorite, can shift the pH to < 7, producing chlorine gas.
Or dichlorine monoxide - remember that getting chlorine from hypochlorite requires reducer. But dichlorine monoxide is also poisonous and irritating.
Chlorine may react with alkylbenzene sulphonic acid, either at alkyl group or aromatic ring. But both are fairly inert groups - alkyl group inherently, aromatic ring because sulphonic acid is deactivating substituent - so I would not count on the organics scrubbing the chlorine/dichlorine monoxide.
 

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