Solenoid & Lenz's Law: Choosing Option B

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The discussion revolves around the application of Lenz's Law in the context of a solenoid and a magnet, specifically focusing on the effects of a magnet's poles as they enter and exit the solenoid. Participants are attempting to determine the direction of induced currents based on the changing magnetic flux.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the direction of magnetic flux and the induced currents when a magnet's poles interact with a solenoid. Questions arise about why the currents differ when the South and North poles are involved, and whether the induced flux directions lead to the same or opposite current directions.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts related to Lenz's Law and magnetic flux. Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the direction of induced currents, while others are questioning and revisiting their understanding of the underlying principles. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are considering the effects of gravity on the problem setup, and there is a focus on the implications of the magnet's motion relative to the solenoid. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the assumptions made regarding the magnetic flux directions and their effects on induced currents.

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I know that the answer will not be a or c due to effects of gravity. But I can't decide between b and d. I chose b because of lenzs law.
I thought that since the south pole enter first, there will be an increasing flux upwards, coil opposes this by inducing an magnetic flux downwards. When it leaves, the north pole will cause and decreasing flux downwards, coil will then oppose this by inducing a magnetic flux downwards. Since both induced magnetic flux are downwards, the direction of induced emf will be the same. Am I correct??:confused:
 
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I know that the answer will not be a or c due to effects of gravity. But I can't decide between b and d. I chose b because of lenzs law.
I thought that since the south pole enter first, there will be an increasing flux upwards, coil opposes this by inducing an magnetic flux downwards. When it leaves, the north pole will cause and decreasing flux downwards, coil will then oppose this by inducing a magnetic flux downwards. Since both induced magnetic flux are downwards, the direction of induced emf will be the same. Am I correct??:confused:

Close but no cigar.

The South pole has upward flux [ie into magnet] - as you say - and the North pole also has upward flux [ie out of magnet] .

That means the current produced as the magnet falls out of the loop is in the opposite direction to the current as it falls in.

So now you have to work out which of the two options is correct.
 


Why are the direction of the currents different??
 
jinhuit95 said:
Why are the direction of the currents different??

Your arguments were good except that the North pole leaving means a decreasing upward flux.

Upward, because the flux from the North end is upward, decreasing because the magnet is coming out of the solenoid.
 


With respect to the north pole there will be an induced upwards flux right by lenzs law right? Since both induced flux are in the same direction, wouldn't the currents be in the same direction??
 
jinhuit95 said:
With respect to the north pole there will be an induced upwards flux right by lenzs law right? Since both induced flux are in the same direction, wouldn't the currents be in the same direction??

NO.

The real flux is in the same direction. Draw a vertical Bar magnet with the South Pole at the bottom.
The flux goes into the South Pole [ie up.]
The flux comes out of the North Pole [again up]

So the real fields are in the same direction - so it all comes down to motion.

The South pole approaches the solenoid, so at that time the imposed flux density is increasing - inducing a certain current.
Later, the North pole is leaving the solenoid, so at that time the imposed flux density is reducing - inducing a current in the opposite direction.
 
jinhuit95 said:
With respect to the north pole there will be an induced upwards flux right by lenzs law right? Since both induced flux are in the same direction, wouldn't the currents be in the same direction??

It is 2:22 am here - I am off to bed.
 
jinhuit95 said:
With respect to the north pole there will be an induced upwards flux right by lenzs law right? Since both induced flux are in the same direction, wouldn't the currents be in the same direction??

Yes there will be an induced upward flux while the North pole is leaving, but there will be an induced downward flux when the South pole approaches.
That is why it is opposite.
The South Pole imposes an upward flux, so a downward flux is induced.
The North Pole takes away an upward flux, so an upward flux is induced.
 

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