Solution to the Diffusion equation using a two dimensional fourier transform

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves the diffusion equation in a two-dimensional context, specifically focusing on the dispersion of particles from a stink bomb set off in a corridor. The equation presented includes a modified diffusion formula with Dirac delta functions representing initial conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss expressing the density in terms of its Fourier transform and substituting it into the diffusion equation. There are attempts to derive the function \(\tilde{\rho}(p,\omega)\) and questions about properties of Fourier transforms and delta functions that may be relevant.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the Fourier transform conventions and the implications for the delta function. Some participants suggest potential forms for \(\tilde{\rho}(p,\omega)\) while others express uncertainty about whether these forms represent complete solutions.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of potential mistakes in calculations regarding factors of \(K\) and \(2\pi\) in the delta functions, as well as the need to clarify the conventions used for Fourier transforms in multiple dimensions. Participants are also considering the completeness of the proposed solutions.

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Homework Statement



at t=0, x=0, a schoolboy sets off a stink bomb halfway down a corridor that is long enough to be considered infinite. The dispersion of the particles obey the modified diffusion formula:

[itex]\frac{\partial \rho (x,t)}{\partial t} - D\frac{\partial^2 \rho(x,t)}{\partialx^2}=K\delta(x)\delta(t)[/itex]

1) Express the density in terms of its Fourier transform and substitute into the above equation, also write out the dirac delta function as a product of the integral forms.
2) find the function [itex]\tilde{\rho}(p,\omega)[/itex]

there is another part but i need to understand this bit before i make n attempt on it

Homework Equations



Inverse Fourier Transform:

[itex]f(x,t) = \frac{1}{2\pi}\int^\infty_{-\infty} dp \int^\infty_{-\infty} d\omega e^{ipx - i\omega t} \tilde{f}(p,\omega)[/itex]

Dirac Delta Function:

[itex]\delta (x-x_0) = \frac{1}{2\pi}\int^\infty_{-\infty} e^{ip(x-x_0) dp[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



having made a substitution for [itex]\rho(x,t)[/itex] for the above equation and using the delta functions for x and t i get:

[itex]\int^\infty_{-\infty} dp \int^\infty_{-\infty} d\omega e^{ipx - i\omega t} \left(Dp^2 - i\omega\right) \tilde{\rho}(p,\omega) = \frac{K}{2\pi}\int^\infty_{-\infty} dp \int^\infty_{-\infty} d\omega e^{ipx - i\omega t}[/itex]

From here, I am not sure how to get the function [itex]\tlide{\rho}(p,\omega)[/itex]
is there some property of Fourier transforms or delta functions that i am forgetting?
Thanks
 
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equating the arguments of the integrals:

for t=0:

[itex](Dp^2-i\omega)\tilde{\rho}(p,\omega) = \frac{K}{2\pi}[/itex]

for t>0:

[itex](Dp^2-i\omega)\tilde{\rho}(p,\omega) = 0[/itex]i think this might be the next step. There is also a hint on the question paper:

this function could contain a term in the form:
[itex]f(p)\delta(Dp^2-i\omega)[/itex]

where f(p) is an arbitary function, in this case you shhould assume f(p)=0

I don't fully follow the argument behind this
 
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There seems to be a slight mistake in your calculation.
I believe that your factor K/2pi should actually be 2piK.
 
ah sorry, missed a 1/2pi factor on the delta function when i typed it up, the product of the two d(x) d(t) gives a 1/4pi^2 on the right hand side, which cancels with 1/2pi on the left to leave K/2pi.
 
knowlewj01 said:
ah sorry, missed a 1/2pi factor on the delta function when i typed it up, the product of the two d(x) d(t) gives a 1/4pi^2 on the right hand side, which cancels with 1/2pi on the left to leave K/2pi.

Shouldn't the delta function have a factor of 1/sqrt(2pi) [edit]to be consistent with the f(x,t) transform[/edit]?
 
in my notes it says that you get a factor of 1/2pi for each dimension in the delta function, ill have another read of it.
 
knowlewj01 said:
for t>0:

[itex](Dp^2-i\omega)\tilde{\rho}(p,\omega) = 0[/itex]

On second thought i don't think this is right, this is just one possible solution. i think the previos one just needs to be rearranged and modified in some way.

[itex]\tilde{\rho}(p,\omega) = \frac{K}{2\pi}\frac{1}{Dp^2-i\omega}[/itex]

[itex]\tilde{\rho}(p,\omega)[/itex] needs to be chosen such that the origonal PDE is satisfied. not sure how to go about this
 
knowlewj01 said:
On second thought i don't think this is right, this is just one possible solution. i think the previos one just needs to be rearranged and modified in some way.

[itex]\tilde{\rho}(p,\omega) = \frac{K}{2\pi}\frac{1}{Dp^2-i\omega}[/itex]

[itex]\tilde{\rho}(p,\omega)[/itex] needs to be chosen such that the origonal PDE is satisfied. not sure how to go about this

Isn't this already the solution?
With your equation for F(rho)(p,w), the integral equation is satisfied, which means the original diffusion equation is satisfied.

The only question would be whether this is a "complete" solution, since there might be another solution.
 
knowlewj01 said:
in my notes it says that you get a factor of 1/2pi for each dimension in the delta function, ill have another read of it.

With Fourier, each and every time one needs to "chose" where to put the 2pi factor.
There are basically 3 conventions:
1. Within the exponential (which means using frequency f instead of angular velocity w)
2. Equally divided between the transform and the inverse transform
3. Only in either the transform or the inverse transform

In a 2-dimensional transform we have a factor (1/2pi)^2 that must be divided.
In a 1-dimensional transform we have a factor (1/2pi) that must be divided.

In your 2-dimensional transform the factor is 1/2pi for the inverse transform, implying you would have the same factor 1/2pi for the 2-dimensional transform.

So for transform of the dirac-function we would get 1/sqrt(2pi) to be consistent.
And for a 2-dimensional transform (of the product of 2 dirac-functions) we would get 1/2pi.
 
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ok, so if i don't ignore this:

knowlewj01 said:
for t>0:

[itex](Dp^2-i\omega)\tilde{\rho}(p,\omega) = 0[/itex]

a solution is possible where:

[itex]Dp^2 = i\omega[/itex]

can rewrite this using the delta function:

[itex]\tilde{\rho}(p,\omega) = \delta\left(Dp^2-i\omega\right) \tilde{f}(p)[/itex]

would the complete solution be the sum of this one and my previous one?:

[itex]\tilde{\rho}(p,\omega) = \delta\left(Dp^2-i\omega\right) \tilde{f}(p) + \frac{K}{2\pi}\frac{1}{Dp^2-i\omega}[/itex]
 

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