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The discussion revolves around solving a nonlinear second-order differential equation of the form d²y/dx²(1 + a(dy/dx)²) = bx^c, where a, b, and c are constants. Participants explore various methods and approaches to tackle the equation, focusing on its mathematical properties and potential solution techniques.

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  • One participant suggests that since the equation does not contain y(x) itself, it can be transformed into a first-order equation by letting y'(x) = f(x), which could be solved through integration.
  • Another participant reiterates the transformation to v = y' and reformulates the equation, questioning how to handle the cubic term in the integrals.
  • There is mention of using Cardano's formulas for solving cubic equations, though they are described as complex.
  • A participant proposes a method involving guessing a form for the expression that could simplify the cubic term, suggesting that it might be worth exploring despite potential difficulties.
  • Another participant introduces Vieta's Substitution as a possible method for solving the cubic equation related to v.

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Participants express various methods for approaching the problem, but there is no consensus on a single solution technique. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on how to handle the cubic term and solve the equation.

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Participants note the complexity introduced by the cubic term and the potential challenges in finding a solution. There are references to integration constants and the need for careful handling of the equation's structure.

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Hello:

Can anyone help me solve with the following nonlinear 2nd order differential equation?

d^2 y/dx^2 (1+a(dy/dx)^2)=bx^c
(a,b & c are constants.)



Thank you.

younginmoon
 

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Luckily, this equation doesn't contain the function y(x) itself, only its derivatives. So denote y'(x) = f(x), you get an equation of first order for f(x), which is solvable by simplle integration. Then go back and solve y'(x) = f(x) for y(x).
 
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smallphi said:
Luckily, this equation doesn't contain the function y(x) itself, only its derivatives. So denote y'(x) = f(x), you get an equation of first order for f(x), which is solvable by simplle integration. Then go back and solve y'(x) = f(x) for y(x).

Thanks!
Starting with v=y', the original equation becomes
v + A v^3 = B x^C (A, B & C are constants) and the solution is composed of complimentary and particular integrals. But, how do you handle with the cubic term (v^3)
in both integrals? Or is there another solution method? (younginmoon)
 
Cardano formulas for solving the qubic equation for v, but they are quite a mess.
 
younginmoon said:
Thanks!
Starting with v=y', the original equation becomes
v + A v^3 = B x^C (A, B & C are constants) and the solution is composed of complimentary and particular integrals. But, how do you handle with the cubic term (v^3)
in both integrals? Or is there another solution method? (younginmoon)


Don't forget the additive constant obtained when you integrate the first time:

[tex]v + \frac{a}{3}v^3 = \frac{b}{c+1}x^{c+1} + k[/tex]

As for solving, you might try guessing that you can write the expression in the form [itex](v + f(x))^2(v + g(x)) = 0[/itex], then expand and compare to the equation above to see if you can choose f(x) and g(x) such that this expression holds and expands to your original equation. (You might instead try the more general [itex](v+f(x))(v+g(x))(v+h(x)) = 0[/itex], as there's really no obvious reason to expect a double root). There is of course no guarantee you can solve the problem this way, since solving for f, g and h might be just as hard if not harder than solving for v, but it might be worth a shot.
 
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