Solve 1/P*dP/dt = b+aP for Population Growth

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation related to population growth, specifically the equation 1/P * dP/dt = b + aP. Participants are exploring methods to manipulate and integrate this equation to express P as a function of time, t.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the use of partial fractions and separable equations. There are attempts to derive constants A and B for integration, and questions about how to isolate P as a function of t. Some participants express uncertainty about their progress and seek confirmation of their approaches.

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Several participants have provided insights into the integration process and the manipulation of logarithmic expressions. There is ongoing exploration of how to express the solution in terms of initial conditions and parameters a and b, with no explicit consensus reached on the final form of the solution.

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Participants mention specific values for parameters a and b derived from linear regression, and initial conditions such as P(0) = 1 and P sub 0 = 3.9, indicating constraints that may affect the solutions being discussed.

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I am quite sure the first approach is to use partial fractions but I am
unclear how to finish this equation

1/P*dP/dt=b+aP
 
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How to finish it? You haven't started it!

[tex]\frac{1}{P}\frac{dP}{dt}= b+aP[/tex]
is separable:
[tex]\frac{dP}{P(b+aP)}= dt[/tex]
Which I'm sure you knew since you ask about partial fractions.
We can write
[tex]\frac{1}{P(b+ aP)}= \frac{A}{P}+ \frac{B}{b+ aP}[/tex]
for some A and B. Multiply both sides by P(b+ aP):
[tex]1= A(b+ aP)+ BP[/tex]

What do you get if P= 0? What do you get if P= -a/b? Put those values for A and B into the fractions and integrate.
 
Solve P=? or t=?

I appreciate the confirmation of the partial Fraction step. I arrive at the same situation:

A=1/b and B=-a/b. And I know both a and b from a linear regression.

So substituting back I get

((1/b)/P+((-a/b)/(b+aP)=dt then integrate both sides

(1/b)lnP +(-1/b)ln(b+aP)=t +C

Now my question is here how do I solve for P= f(t).
 
zoldman said:
I appreciate the confirmation of the partial Fraction step. I arrive at the same situation:
A=1/b and B=-a/b. And I know both a and b from a linear regression.
So substituting back I get
((1/b)/P+((-a/b)/(b+aP)=dt then integrate both sides
(1/b)lnP +(-1/b)ln(b+aP)=t +C
Now my question is here how do I solve for P= f(t).
The rest is algebra:
[tex]\frac{1}{b}ln P- \frac{1}{b}ln(b+aP)= ln\left(\frac{P}{b+aP}\right)^\frac{1}{b}= t+ c[/tex]
Take exponential of both sides:
[tex]\left(\frac{P}{b+aP}\right)^\frac{1}{b}= e^{t+ C}= C'e^t[/tex]
(C= eC)
Take ath power of both sides:
[tex]\frac{P}{b+aP}=C"e^{at}[/tex]
(C"= C'a)
multiply both sides by b+ aP and expand:
[tex]P= C"e^{at}(b+ aP)= C"be^{at}+ aC"e^{at}P[/tex]
[tex]P- aC"e^{at}P= P(1- aC"e^{at})= C"be^{at}[/tex]
[tex]P= \frac{C"be^{at}}{1- aC"e^{at}[/tex]
 
i thionk that logistic equation is more usefully written as dP/dt

= aP(1 - P/N).

of course it is separable and solving it, shows that the populaion approaches N as time goes on.
 
Starting with:

[tex]\frac{1}{b}ln(P)-\frac{1}{b}ln(b+aP)=t+c[/tex]

multiplying by b and collecting logarithms:

[tex]ln\left[\frac{P}{b+aP}\right]=b(t+c)[/tex]

Taking exponentials:

[tex]\frac{P}{b+aP}=e^{b(t+c)}[/tex]

multiplying both sides by b+aP and collecting the P's:

[tex]P\left[1-ae^{b(t+c)}\right]=be^{b(t+c)}[/tex]

Isolating the P and then multiplying the top and bottom of the rational expression by [itex]e^{b(t+c)}[/itex] to make it cleaner leaves:

[tex]P(t)=\frac{b}{e^{-b(t+c)}-a}[/tex]

Now, how about completely characterizing the solutions in terms of a and b assuming some initial condition like P(0)=1. What would it look like whatever it was? (just a suggestion :smile: )
 
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I am working on the same problem; however I started out a bit different. Follwing the above; now all I need to do is substitue my a and b values; my initial condition is P sub 0 = 3.9
Am I going in the right direction?
 

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