Solve $|-4|$: What's the Answer?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the mathematical expression $|-4|$ within the context of a calculus homework problem. Participants explore various steps and methods related to differentiation and substitution in equations.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the introduction of a parameter $t$ in the context of the problem, questioning its necessity given the existing variables $x$ and $y$.
  • Another participant confirms the correctness of earlier steps and suggests substituting for $y$ instead of $x$ to simplify the solution process.
  • Participants discuss the application of the chain rule in differentiation, providing a detailed calculation of $\frac{dx}{dt}$ and the reasoning behind introducing the parameter $t$.
  • There is a positive acknowledgment of the correctness of the answers provided by one participant, reinforcing the value of sharing actual work in the discussion.

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Participants generally agree on the correctness of the answers provided, but there are differing views on the approach to substituting variables and the introduction of the parameter $t$. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved regarding the necessity of $t$.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the introduction of parameters and the choice of variables remain unaddressed, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of these choices on the overall solution.

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hope this is correct so far... up to d.

but why is there an introduction of t when so far we just have x and y?
also I assumed the $|-4|$

this is from a calc I hw..
 
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a) Correct.

b) Correct, although I would substitute for $y$ instead:

$$x=-2y$$

$$4y^2-8y^2+y^2=-12$$

$$y^2=4$$

$$y=\pm2$$

c) Correct.

d) Correct. For clarity, I think I would use the chain rule:

$$\frac{dx}{dt}= \frac{dx}{dy}\cdot\frac{dy}{dt}= \left(-\frac{1}{4} \right)\left(-\frac{1}{2} \right)= \frac{1}{8}$$

$t$ is simply a parameter that has been introduced. Normally $t$ represents some unit of time. Another approach would be to begin with the curve:

$$x^2+4xy+y^2=-12$$

Differentiate with respect to $t$ then divide through by 2:

$$x\frac{dx}{dt}+2\left(x\frac{dy}{dt}+\frac{dx}{dt}y \right)+y\frac{dy}{dt}=0$$

Plug in the given data $$\left(x,y,\frac{dy}{dt} \right)=\left(-4,14,-\frac{1}{2} \right)$$ to get:

$$-4\frac{dx}{dt}+4\left(1+7\frac{dx}{dt} \right)-7=0$$

$$24\frac{dx}{dt}=3$$

$$\frac{dx}{dt}=\frac{1}{8}$$
 
well that was certainly very helpful (Happy)
nice to see a more condensed version of this

although I was encouraged that I got the answers correct.:cool:
 
karush said:
well that was certainly very helpful (Happy)
nice to see a more condensed version of this

although I was encouraged that I got the answers correct.:cool:

You did well, nothing wrong with your work at all. It is always nice to see someone post their actual work too. (Yes)

In part b), since you want $y$-values, it is simply a bit more direct to substitute for $x$ so that you can solve for $y$ directly.
 

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