Solve Algebra Challenge: Find $\dfrac{x}{x+y}+\dfrac{y}{y+z}+\dfrac{z}{z+x}$

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the expression $\dfrac{x}{x+y}+\dfrac{y}{y+z}+\dfrac{z}{z+x}$ given the condition $\dfrac{(x-y)(y-z)(z-x)}{(x+y)(y+z)(z+x)}=\dfrac{2014}{2015}$. The scope includes algebraic manipulation and problem-solving strategies.

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  • Post 1 presents the main problem to evaluate the expression under the given condition.
  • Post 2 offers a hint but does not provide further details.
  • Post 3 claims to have the answer but does not elaborate.
  • Post 4 reiterates the problem statement, emphasizing the evaluation task.
  • Post 7 raises a concern about the target expression potentially becoming undefined, referencing a personal definition of variables.
  • Post 9 comments on the need for patience regarding the hints provided by another participant, suggesting a collaborative approach.
  • Post 10 indicates a strategy of seeking further hints before revealing a solution.
  • Post 11 presents a personal solution but lacks context or detail.

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There are unresolved concerns regarding the definitions of variables and the conditions under which the target expression may become undefined. The discussion includes multiple hints and requests for solutions without definitive resolutions.

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If $\dfrac{(x-y)(y-z)(z-x)}{(x+y)(y+z)(z+x)}=\dfrac{2014}{2015}$, evaluate $\dfrac{x}{x+y}+\dfrac{y}{y+z}+\dfrac{z}{z+x}$.
 
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Hint:
Let $a=x+y,\,b=y+z,\,c=z+x$ and see where that leads you...
 
the answer is:
$\dfrac {4031}{4030}$
correct ?
 
That is $\text{Correct}$.
 
anemone said:
If $\dfrac{(x-y)(y-z)(z-x)}{(x+y)(y+z)(z+x)}=\dfrac{2014}{2015}$, evaluate $\dfrac{x}{x+y}+\dfrac{y}{y+z}+\dfrac{z}{z+x}----(1)$.
let $x\geq 0, y\geq 0, z\geq 0$
and let :$a=\dfrac {x-y}{x+y}, b=\dfrac {y-z}{y+z}, c=\dfrac {z-x}{z+x}$
then $abc=\dfrac {2014}{2015}=-\dfrac {2014}{2015}\times 1\times(-1)$
$a,b,c$ must be 1 positive and 2 negatives (since 3 positives are impossible)
by observation if $z=0 $ then $c=-1<0, b=1>0($ independent of $x$ and $y$)
and $a=-\dfrac {2014}{ 2015}<0$
so we only have to find the values of $x$ and $y$
that is $x+y=2015---(2),x-y=-2014---(3)$
from (2)(3)$\therefore x=\dfrac {1}{2},y=\dfrac {4029}{2}$
and (1) becomes :
$\dfrac{\dfrac{1}{2}}{2015}+1+0=\dfrac {1}{4030}+1=\dfrac {4031}{4030}$
 
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Albert said:
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by observation if $z=0 $...

Hi again Albert,

I see that if you let $z=0$, then our target expression becomes undefined.:confused:
 
anemone said:
Hi again Albert,

I see that if you let $z=0$, then our target expression becomes undefined.:confused:
why ? Our target expression becomes undefined ?

take note my definition of $a,b,c$
 
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Albert said:
why ? our target expression becomes undefined ?

take note my definition of $a,b,c$

Hi Albert,

Ops, I don't know where my head was today, I made a wrong assumption and replied hastily to your solution without thinking for more. I am sorry.
 
anemone said:
Hint:
Let $a=x+y,\,b=y+z,\,c=z+x$ and see where that leads you...

Show your solution
 
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maxkor said:
Show your solution

It's only been 4 days since anemone posted a hint to the problem. She is trying to judiciously encourage participation in this problem. So, let's give her some more time before we command her to post the solution, okay?
 
  • #11
maxkor said:
Show your solution

I'm thinking perhaps the previous statement is a not-so-subtle hint, I will post for further hints before revealing the solution, okay?

anemone said:
Hint 1:
Let $a=x+y,\,b=y+z,\,c=z+x$ and see where that leads you...

Hint 2:

Note that $a-c=x+y-z-x=y-z$, $b-a=y+z-x-y=z-x$ and $c-b=z+x-y-z=x-y$

Also $a-c+b=2y$, $b-a+c=2z$ and $c-b+a=2x$

Hint 3:

$(c-b)(a-c)(b-a)=a^2b-a^2c-ab^2+ac^2+b^2c-bc^2$
 
  • #12
My solution:

Let $a=x+y,\,b=y+z,\,c=z+x$, note that

$a-c=x+y-z-x=y-z$,

$b-a=y+z-x-y=z-x$ and

$c-b=z+x-y-z=x-y$.

Also,

$a-c+b=2y$,

$b-a+c=2z$, and

$c-b+a=2x$.

Therefore, the given equation becomes:$\dfrac{(x-y)(y-z)(z-x)}{(x+y)(y+z)(z+x)}=\dfrac{2014}{2015}$

$\dfrac{(c-b)(a-c)(b-a)}{(a)(b)(c)}=\dfrac{2014}{2015}$And our target expression becomes:

$\dfrac{x}{x+y}+\dfrac{y}{y+z}+\dfrac{z}{z+x}$

$=\dfrac{x}{a}+\dfrac{y}{b}+\dfrac{z}{c}$

$=\dfrac{c-b+a}{2a}+\dfrac{a-c+b}{2b}+\dfrac{b-a+c}{2c}$

$=\dfrac{a}{2a}+\dfrac{b}{2b}+\dfrac{c}{2c}+\dfrac{c-b}{2a}+\dfrac{a-c}{2b}+\dfrac{b-a}{2c}$

$=\dfrac{3}{2}+\dfrac{1}{2}\left(\dfrac{c-b}{a}+\dfrac{a-c}{b}+\dfrac{b-a}{c}\right)$

$=\dfrac{3}{2}+\dfrac{1}{2}\left(-\dfrac{(c-b)(a-c)(b-a)}{abc}\right)$

$=\dfrac{3}{2}-\dfrac{1}{2}\left(\dfrac{2014}{2015}\right)$

$=\dfrac{4031}{4030}$

since $\dfrac{c-b}{a}+\dfrac{a-c}{b}+\dfrac{b-a}{c}=-\dfrac{(c-b)(a-c)(b-a)}{abc}$.
 

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