Solve Asymmetric Piston Problem for SL

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The discussion focuses on solving the Asymmetric Piston Problem for a diathermal piston, where the equilibrium condition is defined by the equation A1P1 = A2P2. The participant correctly identifies that in equilibrium, the temperatures T1 and T2 are equal, and applies the ideal gas law to derive relationships between the pressures, volumes, and number of particles. The final temperature is calculated using T = (E1 + E2) / (Cv(N1 + N2)), while the final pressures are expressed as P1 = N1RT/V1 and P2 = N2RT/V2. The participant expresses uncertainty about the author's expectations regarding the displacement of the piston.

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Greetings!

Can you help me understand what this text book problem asks of me?
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The situation was considered in the text: In equilibrium, the forces on both sides of the piston are equal: ##A_1P_1 = A_2P_2##.
This is the first equation. It should also answer part 3 of the question. The piston allows heat exchange, so that in equilibrium I have ##T_1=T_2##. This should answer part 2. To get a second equation to answer part one, I can just apply the ideal gas law to the first equation to get
$$
A_j\frac{N_j}{V_j} = A_k\frac{N_k}{V_k}.
$$

I feel like this is way too easy and I am missing something... I don't know what the author wants me to do. I should note that he derived the entropy function S(E,V,N) of the ideal gas, and also the three partial derivatives such as ##\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial V}\right)_{E,N}=\frac {P} {T} ##, so maybe he expects some more wizardry with them?SL
 
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The problem says the piston is diathermal so ##T_1 \neq T_2##.

EDIT I confused it with adiabatic.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
The problem says the piston is diathermal so ##T_1 \neq T_2##.
Diathermal means that the temperature ARE equal in the end.
 
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I don't know what the author had in mind, but here are some thoughts on how I would approach this problem (assuming the same gas species is in both chambers). For the final temperature, I would have $$T=\frac{(E_1+E_2)}{C_v(N_1+N_2)}$$
For the final volumes, I would have: $$V_1=V_{10}+A_1\delta$$$$V_2=V_{20}-A_2\delta$$where ##\delta## is the displacement of the piston. So, for the final pressures, we would have: $$P_1=\frac{N_1RT}{V_1}$$$$P_2=\frac{N_2RT}{V_2}$$subject to $$P_1A_1=P_2A_2$$This provides sufficient information to determine the piston displacement ##\delta##.
 
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Thanks Chestermiller!

The author did not ask for the displacement, so it is really unclear what he even expects. Glad to know that I did not miss something obvious.
 
To get the final pressure, you need to first solve for the displacement.
 

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