Solve Elliptical Motion Homework: Find r', r'', θ', θ

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The problem involves a particle of mass m subjected to a two-dimensional harmonic central force, requiring the determination of derivatives in spherical polar coordinates. The initial conditions specify the particle's position and velocity, leading to equations of motion for x(t) and y(t).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of r' and r'' from the equations of motion and express uncertainty about finding θ' and θ''. There is a focus on the use of arctan for θ and the challenges of differentiating that expression. Some participants question the notation of the derivatives and the appropriateness of their methods.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to differentiate the arctan expression for θ. Some guidance has been offered regarding writing down expressions for θ and considering derivatives, but there is no consensus on the next steps.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of confusion regarding the notation for time derivatives and the need for clarity on the expression for θ. Participants are also grappling with the implications of their initial conditions on the derivatives they need to find.

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Homework Statement


A particle of mass m is subjected to an isotropic, two dimensional, harmonic central force, F=-kr.
(r=(x,y)). At t=0 the particle is at r=A
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and has velocity V yhat.

Find r' r'' θ' θ'' in 2D spherical polar coordinates.

Homework Equations


Fx=-kx
Fy=-ky

The Attempt at a Solution


I have found the equations of motion, as well as the particular solutions using the initial conditions.
So far I have:
x(t)=-Acos(wt-π)
y(t)=V/wcos(wt-π/2)

From here I found r' to be Awsin(wt-π)-Vsin(wt-π/2)
and r'': Aw2cos(wt-π)-Vwcos(wt-π/2)
Im fairly certain everything up to this point is correct, but I have no idea what to do about theta.

I know in spherical polar coordinates θ=arctan(y/x) but I don't think I can just take the derivative in this form. I have tried setting x(t)=-Acos(wt) and y(t)=V/wsin(wt) by using the relation between sines and cosines offset by pi/2.This has brought me to
θ=arctan((V/wa)tan(wt)). Again, I hit a wall with finding the derivatives.
 
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Is the primed notation a space or a time derivative?

I have no idea what to do about theta
Write down an expression for theta and take the appropriate derivative.
I know in spherical polar coordinates θ=arctan(y/x) but I don't think I can just take the derivative in this form.
Why not? Did you try?
I have tried setting x(t)=-Acos(wt) and y(t)=V/wsin(wt) by using the relation between sines and cosines offset by pi/2.This has brought me to
θ=arctan((V/wa)tan(wt)).
... what happens when you take the appropriate derivative of that then?
 
Im not sure of how to take the derivative of that arctan expression. Is there a way to simplify it? I've tried finding methods but I'm having trouble.

The primed notation is a time derivative, sorry.
 
Look it up.
... that's what everyone else does.
 

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