Solve exponential equation x^4 = (5x+6)^2

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The discussion revolves around solving the exponential equation \( x^4 = (5x+6)^2 \) and determining the multiplication product of all possible values of \( x \). Participants explore various methods of solving the equation, including taking square roots and using absolute values, while also addressing the implications of their findings.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that taking square roots leads to values \( 6, 1, -1 \), but expresses uncertainty about these being the only solutions and notes a discrepancy with expected answer choices.
  • Another participant reformulates the equation into a polynomial form \( x^4 - (5x+6)^2 = 0 \) and factors it to find potential solutions \( x \in \{-3, -2, -1, 6\} \).
  • A participant questions the validity of using absolute values in the solution process and seeks clarification on whether this approach is feasible.
  • Further exploration of cases based on the sign of \( 5x + 6 \) is presented, leading to two separate cases for solving the equation.
  • Another participant reiterates the need to find the multiplication product of all values \( x \) can take, expressing confusion about the roots derived from the polynomial form.
  • Discussion includes the suggestion to apply the rational root theorem to find roots of the polynomial \( x^4 - 25x^2 - 60x - 36 = 0 \).

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Participants express differing views on the methods of solving the equation and the validity of the results obtained. There is no consensus on the complete set of solutions or the multiplication product of the roots.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential limitations in their approaches, such as assumptions regarding the signs of expressions and the implications of using absolute values. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the completeness of the solutions.

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x^4 = (5x+6)^2

then what is the multiplication product of all values x can take?

i tried taking square roots of each and wrote in absolute value and found 6, 1, -1 (may be wrong) already but there must be more or different because it is not even in answer choices and the answer should be -36
 
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ketanco said:
x^4 = (5x+6)^2

then what is the multiplication product of all values x can take?

i tried taking square roots of each and wrote in absolute value and found 6, 1, -1 (may be wrong) already but there must be more or different because it is not even in answer choices and the answer should be -36

$x^4 - (5x+6)^2 = 0$

$[x^2 - (5x+6)] \cdot [x^2 + (5x+6)] = 0$

$[(x-6)(x+1)] \cdot [(x+2)(x+3)] = 0$

$x \in \{-3,-2,-1,6 \}$
 
great, and thanks

and what if we tried to solve with absolute value like i tried by taking square roots of both sides? can it be done?

if so how?

if not why not?
 
$\sqrt{x^4} = \sqrt{(5x+6)^2}$

$|x^2| = |5x+6|$note ... $|x^2| = x^2$

$|5x+6| = 5x+6$ if $5x+6 \ge 0$

$|5x+6| = -(5x+6)$ if $5x+6 < 0$case 1

$x^2 = 5x + 6$ if $5x+6 \ge 0 \implies x \ge -\dfrac{6}{5}$

$x^2 - 5x - 6 = 0$

$(x-6)(x+1) = 0$ ... both zeros are $\ge -\dfrac{6}{5}$case 2

$x^2 = -(5x+6)$ if $5x+6 < 0 \implies x < -\dfrac{6}{5}$

$x^2 + 5x + 6 = 0$

$(x+3)(x+2) = 0$ ... both zeros are $< -\dfrac{6}{5}$
 
ketanco said:
x^4 = (5x+6)^2

then what is the multiplication product of all values x can take?

i tried taking square roots of each and wrote in absolute value and found 6, 1, -1 (may be wrong) already but there must be more or different because it is not even in answer choices and the answer should be -36

xxxx-(5x+6)(5x+6)=0
xxxx-25xx-60x-36=0
(x-a1)(x-a2)(x-a3)(x-a4)=0

a1a2a3a4 = ?
 
RLBrown said:
xxxx-(5x+6)(5x+6)=0
xxxx-25xx-60x-36=0
(x-a1)(x-a2)(x-a3)(x-a4)=0

a1a2a3a4 = ?

$x^4 - 25x^2 - 60x - 36 = 0$

try using the rational root theorem ...
 

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