Solve for Eigenvalues in QFT using Matrix Algebra | Ryder's QFT p.44

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The discussion revolves around finding the eigenvalues related to the equation from Ryder's Quantum Field Theory (QFT), specifically focusing on the eigenvalues of energy (E) derived from the Dirac equation. Participants are examining the implications of the determinant derived from the equation and its relation to the eigenvalues.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the determinant and its implications for the eigenvalues. There are questions about the correctness of the matrices used and the resulting eigenvalue equations. Some participants express confusion over the number of eigenvalues derived from the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's calculations. There is acknowledgment of errors in matrix selection and determinant calculation, leading to a more accurate understanding of the eigenvalues. However, there is no explicit consensus on the final outcome yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original equation is expected to yield four eigenvalues, but discrepancies in calculations have led to different interpretations. The discussion highlights the importance of correctly identifying the matrices involved in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


On page 44 of Ryder's QFT, near the bottom of the page, it says:
Ryder said:
it is straightforward to show, by writing out all four components of (2.94), that the eigenvalues of E are:
E = +(m^2 + p^2)^{1/2} twice,
E = -(m^2 + p^2)^{1/2} twice,

Homework Equations


Equation (2.94) is
(\gamma^{\mu}p_{\mu} - m)\psi(p) = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


Writing out all four components, and then taking the determinant and setting to zero, I get:
m^4 - (E^2 - p^2)^2 = 0 or m^4 = (E^2 - p^2)^2
Taking the square root once:
\pm m^2 = E^2 - p^2 or E^2 = p^2 \pm m^2.
And taking the square root again:
E = \pm(p^2 \pm m^2)^{1/2}
and I end up with different eigenvalues than I am supposed to.
 
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How did you calculate the determinant? I calculated it with some formulae, and I got only two eigenvalues. Maybe you should try using a software like mathematica to calculate it by brute force.

Let just hope that your Dirac matrices are same as mine. I used

http://www.stochasticsoccer.com/Clipboard01.jpg

then I used
(\sigma_\mu p^\mu)(\sigma'_\mu p^\mu) = p_\mu p^\mu
where \sigma^\mu = (1, \sigma^i)
where \sigma'^\mu = (1, -\sigma^i)
\sigma^i are Pauli matrices.

I got m^2 = E^2 - p^2.
 
kakarukeys said:
I got m^2 = E^2 - p^2.
Thanks for taking a look at this kakarukeys. I don't think your equation could be the determinant since there are supposed to be 4 eigenvalues, and your equation is only quadratic in E.
 
At one stage of my calculations, I had ()^2 = 0 implies () = 0
so a 4th order eq became quadratic eq
 
kakarukeys said:
At one stage of my calculations, I had ()^2 = 0 implies () = 0
so a 4th order eq became quadratic eq

So, each of your distinct eigenvalues is repeated.
 
Thanks kakarukeys. I was making two errors. First of all, I had the wrong matrix for \gamma^0, and second of all, I was calculating the determinant incorrectly. With your help, I now get the following determinant:
(E^2 - m^2 - p^2)^2 and setting this to zero gives the correct eigenvalues. Thanks George to you as well. Actually, I gathered the same meaning from message #4 as you did, but it's good to know that you have my back.
 

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