Solve Ground State Energy Level of Proton in Al Nucleus - 100MeV, 5fm

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The problem involves estimating the ground state energy level of a proton in the aluminum nucleus, which has a potential energy of 100 MeV and a radius of 5 fm. The original poster attempts to compare this with calculations from the infinite square well model.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the appropriate equations for the problem, with some suggesting the use of the infinite square well model for part of the question. There is confusion about whether the first part involves a finite potential well or another model, such as the shell model. Questions arise regarding the correct application of Schrödinger's equation and the values to use for calculations.

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Some participants provide clarifications regarding the use of the infinite well model for the second part of the question. The original poster expresses difficulty in solving the first part but later indicates they have figured out a method to calculate the energy using specific equations.

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There is mention of the original poster's uncertainty about the correct approach for the first part of the problem, as they have covered finite potential wells but not the shell model. The distinction between using diameter versus radius in calculations is also noted.

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I've been working at this problem for about an hour and can't seem to make any progress. Any help would greatly be appreciated.

Homework Statement


Estimate the ground state energy level of a proton in the Al nucleus which has a potential energy of 100 MeV. Compare your answer to that calculated from the infinite square model. The radius of the Al nucleus is 5 fm.

2. The attempt at a solution

I thought that for the first part of the question this equation should be used

En = n2*h2/(8*m*L2)

However, I was getting nowhere close to the answer of 1.72 MeV. For the second part I figure that it would involve Schrödinger's equation and and this equation:

[tex]\psi[/tex] = (2/L)1/2*sin(n*pi*x/L)

Oddly enough using the first equation and using the diameter instead of the radius I got the right answer for the second part of the question of 2.05 Mev; however, I don't think that I solved it correctly.
 
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The first part isn't an infinite well. The 2nd part is an infinite well, the first equation you listed is the energy levels for an infinite well, that is why it worked. Also, "L" is the width of the well which is the diameter and not the radius (that is why you got the right answer using diameter).

The first part sounds like you will be using a finite potential well. Unless you are learning some other method like the shell model.
 
nickjer said:
The first part isn't an infinite well. The 2nd part is an infinite well, the first equation you listed is the energy levels for an infinite well, that is why it worked. Also, "L" is the width of the well which is the diameter and not the radius (that is why you got the right answer using diameter).

The first part sounds like you will be using a finite potential well. Unless you are learning some other method like the shell model.

Thanks, that explains the second part of the question. Still can't figure out how to do the first part. We have done finite potential well, but not shell. I looked up the equations in my book and think that I should use Schrödinger's time independent equation:

-(ħ/2m)(d2/dx2)Ψ(x)+U(x)Ψ(x)=EΨ(x)

Where I would solve for E. Could I then use this for Ψ(x) :

Ψ(x)=(2/L)1/2sin(pi*x/L)

? If so what value would I use for x, or am I still missing something?
 
Never mind. I just figured it out.

First solve for δ:

δ=ħ/(2*m*U)1/2

Then use δ to solve for Energy, making sure to use diameter, not radius:

E=pi22/(2*m*L2)

---> E = 1.72 MeV
 

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