Solve Halfway Measures: Find KE at 7cm

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The discussion revolves around a mass-spring system where participants are attempting to calculate the kinetic energy (KE) at a specific stretch of the spring (7 cm) after it has been initially stretched to 14 cm and released. The problem involves concepts of work, energy stored in a spring, and the transformation of potential energy to kinetic energy.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between work done on the spring and the kinetic energy at different stretches. Some question the assumption of constant spring force and suggest deriving the energy stored in a stretched spring. Others attempt to calculate the spring constant and relate potential energy to kinetic energy using various equations.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to calculate the kinetic energy, with some participants providing hints and corrections regarding the calculations and concepts involved. Multiple interpretations of the energy transformations are being discussed, and participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning.

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Participants are addressing potential errors in calculations and assumptions, such as the conversion of units and the correct application of energy equations. There is a focus on ensuring the understanding of the relationship between potential energy and kinetic energy in the context of the mass-spring system.

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[SOLVED] Halfway measures

Am I doing this right?

You stretch the spring of a certain mass-spring system 14.0 cm from its relaxed state; this requires 21.2J of work. You then release the system. What is its Kinetic energy when the stretch of the spring is 7 cm?

W = F*s
21.2 = F(.14)
F = 151.4N

W = 151.4(.07)
W = 10.6J
W = change in KE
KE = 10.6J
 
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No, you cannot assume that the spring force is constant, which is what you are doing when you set the work equal to F*s. Hint: What's the energy stored in a stretched spring? (Look it up or derive it.)
 
Is this close?

W = 1/2(kx^2)
21.2 = (1/2)k(.14^2)
21.2(2) = k(.14^2)
k = 216.3J

W = (1/2)(216.3)(.07^2)
W = .053J
KE = .053J
 
anyone1979 said:
Is this close?

W = 1/2(kx^2)
21.2 = (1/2)k(.14^2)
21.2(2) = k(.14^2)
k = 216.3J
Much better. (You are close.)

You have a typo (or arithmetic error) in that last step: k = 2163 J.

Realize that this is the total energy stored in the system. After you release it, some of that initial spring potential energy will be transformed to KE. But at all times, Total energy = KE + PE.
 
Thanks for replying.
I do not see the error though. I changed it from cm to meters.

21.2 = (1/2)k(0.14^2)
21.2(2) = k(0.196)
((21.2)(2))/(0.196) = k am I calculating wrong?

U1 = (1/2)k(x1^2)
U2 = (1/2)k(x2^2)
KE1 = (1/2)mv1^2
KE2 = (1/2)mv2^2

KE2 = KE1 + U1 - U2

Is that the right Idea?
 
anyone1979 said:
Thanks for replying.
I do not see the error though. I changed it from cm to meters.

21.2 = (1/2)k(0.14^2)
21.2(2) = k(0.196)
((21.2)(2))/(0.196) = k am I calculating wrong?
0.14^2 = 0.0196 (not 0.196)

U1 = (1/2)k(x1^2)
U2 = (1/2)k(x2^2)
KE1 = (1/2)mv1^2
KE2 = (1/2)mv2^2

KE2 = KE1 + U1 - U2

Is that the right Idea?
Yes, exactly the right idea.
 
Thank you so much.
I wrote the equation down wrong.
 

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