Solve Integral Q: d4y/dx4 - 4 d3y/dx3 - 5 d2y/dx2 + 36 dy/dx - 36y = -8e^x

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The discussion revolves around solving a fourth-order inhomogeneous differential equation of the form d4y/dx4 - 4 d3y/dx3 - 5 d2y/dx2 + 36 dy/dx - 36y = -8e^x. Participants are exploring the implications of the characteristic polynomial and the role of the right-hand side of the equation.

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  • The original poster questions the treatment of the -8 on the right-hand side of the equation and its relation to the characteristic polynomial. Some participants clarify that the characteristic polynomial pertains to the homogeneous part, while the right-hand side requires a particular solution. Others discuss the general solution's structure, including both homogeneous and particular solutions.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing clarifications on the roles of the homogeneous and particular solutions. There is recognition that the particular solution addresses the inhomogeneous aspect of the equation, although some participants express confusion about the necessity of including additional terms in the complete solution.

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Participants are navigating the distinction between the homogeneous and inhomogeneous components of the differential equation, with some uncertainty about the implications of the right-hand side term. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's confusion regarding the factorization and its relevance to the overall solution.

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d4y/dx4 - 4 d3y/dx3 - 5 d2y/dx2 + 36 dy/dx - 36y = -8e^x

Given that λ^4 - 4λ^3 - 5λ^2 + 36λ - 36 = 0 can be factored to obtain (λ-2)^2 (λ^2 - 9) = 0

find the general solution to this equation


I can answer the question no problem BUT where does the -8 on the RHS of the equation go??

If i set y=e^λx i get λ^4 - 4λ^3 - 5λ^2 + 36λ - 36 = -8 ??

so why hasnt he factorised λ^4 - 4λ^3 - 5λ^2 + 36λ - 28 = 0

??

Totally confused. Thanks for any help.
 
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That is guiding you to the general solution of the corresponding homogenous equation only. To obtain the general solution to your original equation, you also need a solution solving the equation with the term on the RHS present.
 
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The differential equation you have there is an inhomogeneous differential equation.
The characteristic polynomial that is provided in the hint provides the solution to the homogenous differential equation
y^{(4)} - 4y^{(3)} -5y''+36y'-36y = 0
The final solution will be the sum of the homogenous solution and the particular solution for the imhomogenous part.
 
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the particular solution is given as e^x

so the complete solution will be

λ = 2, 2, 3, -3

-> y = Ae^2x + Bxe^2x + Ce^3x + De^-3x + e^x

are you saying that the particular solution given takes care of the RHS, so I don't need to worry about it? Or do I have to include something else in the complete solution above?

thanks for the help.


EDIT

oh, i see, it doesn't want a solution to the original equation. thanks again for the help!

Just out of interest how would the solution to the original question differ from my answer?
 
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rwooduk said:
are you saying that the particular solution given takes care of the RHS, so I don't need to worry about it?
Yes, that is the role of the particular solution. You can think of it this way:
We have a differential equation in the form
\hat{D} y = f(x)
The general solution can be written in terms of the homogenous and particular solutions:
y = y_{h} + y_{p}
which satisfy
\hat{D} y_{h} = 0
\hat{D} y_{p} = f(x)
So, clearly,
\hat{D} (y_{h}+y_{p}) = f(x)
 
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Fightfish said:
Yes, that is the role of the particular solution. You can think of it this way:
We have a differential equation in the form
\hat{D} y = f(x)
The general solution can be written in terms of the homogenous and particular solutions:
y = y_{h} + y_{p}
which satisfy
\hat{D} y_{h} = 0
\hat{D} y_{p} = f(x)
So, clearly,
\hat{D} (y_{h}+y_{p}) = f(x)

excellent! got it! Many thanks!
 

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