Solve Particle Equilibrium Homework Statement

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a 4.4-kg block suspended from a pulley, with a specific sag in the cord. Participants are tasked with determining the force in cord ABC while neglecting the size of the pulley.

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  • Participants explore various equations related to the forces acting on the system, including tension components and equilibrium conditions. Questions arise regarding assumptions about the positioning of the block and the angles involved. Some participants express uncertainty about the necessity of certain assumptions and the implications of friction in the pulley.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some have offered guidance on the relationships between forces and angles, while others are clarifying the assumptions made in the problem setup. There is no explicit consensus on the final force value, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants are considering the implications of a frictionless pulley and the geometric relationships in the setup. There is an ongoing debate about the assumptions related to the angles and the positioning of the block, which may affect the calculations.

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Homework Statement


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If the 4.4-kg block is suspended from the pulley B and the sag of the cord is d = 0.15 m, determine the force in cord ABC. Neglect the size of the pulley. (Figure 1)
Express your answer to three significant figures and include the appropriate units.

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r(BC) = (x^2 + .15^2)^.5
r(AB) = [(.4-x)^2 + (.15^2)]

T(x) = r(BC)cos(theta) - r(AB)cos(theta)
T(y) = r(BC)sin(theta) + r(AB)sin(theta) - 43.164

I tried adding r(BC) + r(AB) and then grphing to find the zeros but that was wrong.

I also have; x/cos(theta) + .4-x/cos(theta) = .4cos(theta)

not sure how to proceed.
 

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Hi Robb,

Is there a reason to assume ##x\ne0.2## m ?
 
Can I assume it's centered?
 
Robb said:
Can I assume it's centered?
You are given that A and C are on the same horizontal level. You have correctly presumed that the angle is the same each side (if anything, that was the step that needs some physics to justify). If the vertical through B meets AC at E, what can you say about triangles AEB, CEB?
 
I suppose they are equal. I guess I don't like to make that assumption without proof. I suppose they would have to be though, given that the pulley would be assumed to be frictionless. Is that a correct assumption?
 
Robb said:
I suppose they are equal. I guess I don't like to make that assumption without proof. I suppose they would have to be though, given that the pulley would be assumed to be frictionless. Is that a correct assumption?
Yes. If there were static friction in the pulley then there would be a range of answers.
 
So, shouldn't T(ABC) = -43.164N?
 
Robb said:
So, shouldn't T(ABC) = -43.164N?
Not what I get, and it certainly cannot be negative.
Please post your working.
 
F(x) = 0; F(BC)cos37 - F(BA)cos37
F(y) =0; F(BC)sin37 + F(BA)sin37 - 43.164
F(BC) = F(BA)
-.6435F(BC) - .6435F(BC) = 43.164
F(BC) = 33.5359N
 
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Robb said:
F(x) = 0; F(BC)cos37 - F(BA)cos37
F(y) =0; F(BC)sin37 + F(BA)sin37 - 43.164
F(BC) = F(BA)
-.6435F(BC) - .6435F(BC) = 43.164
F(BC) = 33.5359N
Ok.
Two issues.
1. Where did those minus signs come from in the line before last (which you then ignored to get the last line)?
2. There is no need to find the angle. Doing so has introduced some rounding error. The sine and cosine are exactly 0.6 and 0.8.
 
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1. good question

I see what you're saying about not needing the angle.

F(x)=0; F(BC)(0.8) - F(BA)0.8)= 0
F(y)=0; F(BC)(0.6) + F(BA)(0.6) -43.164=0

F(BC)=F(BA)
1.2F(AC) = 43.164
F(AC) = 35.97

I assume this is the force in cord ABC?
 
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Robb said:
1. good question

I see what you're saying about not needing the angle.

F(x)=0; F(BC)(0.8) - F(BA)0.8)= 0
F(y)=0; F(BC)(0.6) + F(BA)(0.6) -43.164=0

F(BC)=F(BA)
1.2F(AC) = 43.164
F(AC) = 35.97

I assume this is the force in cord ABC?
Yes. But I would not have written F(AC); that's a bit confusing since there is nothing acting along the straight line AC. You could write F(ABC), or just leave it as F(AB).
 

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