Solve Physics Echo Problem: Air Echo Returns 1.33s Later

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The discussion centers on calculating the time it takes for sound echoes to return in different mediums, specifically salt water and air. The first attempt correctly determines that the echo in the air takes an additional 1.33 seconds to return after the underwater echo of 0.40 seconds. The second attempt incorrectly calculates the additional time as 0.465 seconds by misinterpreting the total journey time. The consensus confirms that the first calculation is accurate and aligns with the physics principles involved.

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Homework Statement


A boat is floating at rest in dense fog near a cliff. The captain sounds a horn at water level and the sound travels through the salt water (1470 m/s) and the air (340 m/s) simultaneously. The echo in the water takes 0.40s to return. How much additional time will it take the echo in the air to return?

Homework Equations


v = Δd/Δt

The Attempt at a Solution


First Attempt:
v = Δd/Δt

Δd = v Δt = (1470 m/s) (0.40 s) = 588 m

Δt = Δd/v = 588m / 340 m/s = 1.73 s

Δt = 1.73 s – 0.40 s = 1.33 s

The echo in the air took 1.33 s longer to return.

Second Attempt:
I was thinking that 1.73 s would be the total time, so then I would have to divide 1.73 s by 2 to get the return time (0.865 s). Then I would subtract 0.40s from 0.865 s to get the additional time it took the echo to return, which would be 0.465 s. Like this:

v = Δd/Δt

Find total time:
Δd = v Δt = (1470 m/s) (0.40 s) = 588 m

Δt = Δd/v = 588m / 340 m/s = 1.73 s

Then find return time:
1.73 s/2 = 0.865 s
Then find additional time:
0.865 s - 0.40s = 0.465 s

The echo in the air took 0.465 s longer to return.

Please help me figure out which process is correct, if they even are correct :)

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pretty sure your 1st answer is correct. The question is not asking about the return journey, but total journey time - 0.4s in total for the underwater echo, so the question is looking for the difference in total time
 
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I am doing a similar qts
 
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Thanks so much for your help, mgkii :)
 

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