Solve Smallest Value of Ms for Ladder Equilibrium

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The discussion centers on calculating the smallest value of static friction coefficient (Ms) required for a ladder in equilibrium, given its dimensions of 2.5 (base), 6 (height), and 6.5 (hypotenuse). The initial calculation yielded Ms = 0.4166666, which was incorrect. The correct value, as verified against a textbook answer, is Ms = 0.208. The error stemmed from neglecting the moment of the frictional force at the base of the ladder during the equilibrium analysis.

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So there is a ladder leaning against the wall. its a 2.5 (base), 6 (height), 6.5 (hyp) triangle. the coefficient of static friction is zero at B (corner of 6 & 6.5). we need to determine the smallest value of Ms at A (corner of 2.5 & 6.5) for which equilibrium will be maintained.

They do not give me weight. just dimensions.

I started taking the moment from the middle of the hyp using the Normals at the points as the vectors:

M=0= (NB)(3) - (NA)(1.25)
NA= 3/1.25 NB
where NB is the normal at B and NA is the normal at A

then summed up the forces in the x directions: (FfrA is the friction at point A)
Fx=0= FfrA - NB
NB= Ms NA

then substituted my NA from moments into my sum:

NB= Ms (3/ 1.25 NB)
divided it out and got:
Ms= .4166666

I checked out the answer in the back of the book which is .208, All I need to do is divide the number that I got by 2 and I get .208... any ideas where I went wrong? Thanks
 
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mattmannmf said:
M=0= (NB)(3) - (NA)(1.25)
NA= 3/1.25 NB
where NB is the normal at B and NA is the normal at A

if you are taking the moment around the center of mass, you forgot to take the moment
of the frictional force at the bottom. NA is perpendicular to the ground, and at the
moment of slipping, maximum static friction is directed towards the wall.
 
IssacNewton said:
if you are taking the moment around the center of mass, you forgot to take the moment
of the frictional force at the bottom. NA is perpendicular to the ground, and at the
moment of slipping, maximum static friction is directed towards the wall.

Thanks! got the right answer!
 

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