Solve the Ball Collision Problem: Angle α and Friction!

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The problem involves two identical small balls, one thrown at an angle α and the other dropped from rest. The discussion centers on the conditions for their collision, first without air friction and then considering the effects of air friction proportional to velocity. Participants are exploring how the angle α may need to change due to the introduction of air friction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are discussing the impact of air friction on the thrown ball compared to the dropped ball, questioning whether the angle α needs to be adjusted for collision. There are considerations of the effects of gravitational force and the initial conditions of both balls.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the influence of air friction and the initial conditions of the balls. Some guidance has been offered regarding the effects of friction on the projectile's trajectory, but no consensus has been reached on the necessary adjustments to angle α.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the complexities introduced by air friction and the need to consider both balls' forces. There is an acknowledgment of the difficulty in visualizing the problem dynamics under these conditions.

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Homework Statement



Two identical small balls are shown in picture above. A ball is thrown from the ground and another ball is dropped without any initial velocity.
First, consider no air friction. In order to make the balls collide each other, the ball on ground has to make an angle α from the ground, where tan(α)=h/d.
Then consider a more real case, there's air friction which is proportional to ball's velocity, F=-kv. In order to make the balls collide, determine whether angle of the ball has to be greater than α, less than α, or equals to α!

(Problem's source and image: http://collectionofphysicsproblems.blogspot.com" )

Homework Equations



Ffriction = -kv
Fgravity = mg

The Attempt at a Solution



I think it has to be greater than α, is it correct?
 
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F = -kv affects which ball the most at t = 0?
 
The thrown ball, because it has initial velocity, and the other ball doesn't.
How's my answer?
 
Copycat91 said:
The thrown ball, because it has initial velocity, and the other ball doesn't.
How's my answer?

Consider both of the components of the velocity at the angle α then of the projectile. If the frictional retarding forces are slowing the projectile in both x,y what will happen if α is left the same? Will it undershoot or over shoot?
 
Can we consider the initial condition only?
There's also gravitational force and air friction on both balls.
It's hard to imagine...
 

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