Solve the Crazy Physics Problem: Plane Stays Over Earth

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of a plane remaining stationary above a point on Earth while the planet rotates. Participants explore the implications of this situation, questioning the mechanics of flight, relative motion, and the necessity for horizontal displacement in air travel.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if a plane could hover above a point on Earth, it would eventually end up over a different location as the Earth rotates.
  • Others argue that remaining stationary above a point would not allow for practical travel, as it would take too long to reach a destination by waiting for the Earth to rotate beneath the plane.
  • A participant mentions that the relative motion between the plane and the Earth's surface is equivalent to the surface moving beneath the plane, emphasizing the importance of relative velocity.
  • One participant highlights that hovering in place would require the plane to counteract the rotational speed of the Earth, which is significant, especially at the equator.
  • Another point raised is that the air itself is also rotating with the Earth, meaning that a plane would face drag and would need to overcome this to maintain a stationary position relative to the ground.
  • It is noted that physics does not differentiate between the plane being stationary and the air moving, which complicates the idea of hovering without horizontal displacement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and practicality of a plane remaining stationary above a point on Earth. There is no consensus on whether this scenario could be effectively realized or what the implications would be for air travel.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the mechanics of flight, relative motion, and the effects of Earth's rotation, which may not be fully explored or resolved within the conversation.

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suppose a plane stays over a point in Earth . if it remains there can it travel to other place as Earth rotates. if this was possible why planes needed horizontal displacement to travel from one place to another?
 
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Himal kharel said:
if it remains there can it travel to other place
Could you say it a bit more clearly?
Certainly, something remaining there cannot be here...
 
So you mean if a plane is levitating up while the Earth rotates? So if the plane is stationary above US and the Earth rotates, it could wait for a few hours and would end up above London. Sure. Now, imaging you are on the surface of the Earth in the US and are looking at the plane above you. You rotate with the Earth's surface and what do you see? You see the plane traveling forwards, towards London. In fact the situation you described is just another way of looking at what is really going on... And you can change the relative velocity between the Earth's surface the the plane so that you can travel from London to US without having to wait for a long time, go over continental Europe, Asia, Pacific Ocean and then to US. In that case you are racing against the Earth's rotation.

Plane moving over the Earth's surface and the Earth's surface moving under the plane are the same thing. Don't forget, there is still relative velocity between the plane and air and you would still be experiencing the same thing as you would if you considered the plane to be moving over the Earth's surface.
 
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Himal kharel said:
suppose a plane stays over a point in Earth . if it remains there can it travel to other place as Earth rotates.

Simple answer to your question is "yes it is possible."


if this was possible why planes needed horizontal displacement to travel from one place to another?


Because if you want to go from one place to another place and you levitate on Earth and then wait for your destination, it takes too long time. Isn't it?
Science provides easiness to life. Therefore there is only a fool person who levitate in air and let the Earth move to reach its destination.

Does this help you??:smile:
 
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Not that direction!
You may start to levitate near Gatwick and stop levitate 6hrs later close to JFK - actually many people do that every day.
 
Yeah my bad. The sun rises in say Japan (just a convention) first, then proceeds on to Europe and then the Americas. So if you hover over London, you'd fly above the Atlantic to the Americas, not in the other direction.
 
Himal kharel said:
suppose a plane stays over a point in Earth . if it remains there can it travel to other place as Earth rotates. if this was possible why planes needed horizontal displacement to travel from one place to another?

Realize that movement is relative to another location. Even a helicopter hovering over a landing pad is in motion when viewed from the Sun, the Moon, the Space Shuttle, ETC. But I'm assuming you mean that the plane is heading opposite the rotation of the earth. Since the rotational velocity of the Earth, at the equator at least, is 1600 km/h, very few planes even travel that quickly. (Mach 1, the speed of sound, is only 1236 km/h at sea level) Perhaps the most important reason they do not do what you were asking is because the air itself is traveling with the rotation of the Earth and planes have to overcome that drag. Hence they need engines and horizontal displacement.
 
Since the plane is traveling with the rotation of the earth, it would first have to slow down in order to "hover in place" and wait for another point on Earth to rotate underneath it.

Unfortunately, the plane would be the only thing that's slowing down, where as the air would keep on rotating...and physics doesn't distinguish between the plane being in place and the air moving, or vice versa, and so it will cost you the same in terms of fuel and time.
 

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