Solve the given problem involving integration

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The discussion revolves around solving an integral involving logarithmic functions and integration techniques, specifically focusing on the integral of \(\frac{\ln x}{x^3}\). Participants explore various methods of integration, including integration by parts and the application of derivatives.

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  • Participants discuss the use of integration by parts and the quotient rule in differentiating logarithmic functions. There are questions about the necessity of using previous parts of the problem and whether errors in signs affect the results. Some participants suggest alternative methods and express curiosity about potential mistakes in the textbook.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their approaches and results. Some have identified potential errors in reasoning or calculations, while others have provided alternative perspectives on solving the integral. There is no explicit consensus on the best method, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants note that the problem may involve assumptions about the use of previous parts and the correctness of their calculations. There is also mention of a sign error that some believe could affect the outcome.

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This really cracked me up! Unless there is something i am not seeing!

part (a) is straightforward, using quotient rule:
##\dfrac{dy}{dx} = \dfrac{x⋅\dfrac{1}{x}- \ln x}{x^2}=\dfrac{1-\ln x}{x^2}##

From here i was able to see that,

##\int \dfrac{\ln x}{x^2} dx= \int \dfrac{1}{x^2}- \dfrac{\ln x}{x}##
## = -\dfrac{1}{x} - \dfrac{ln x}{x}=-\left[\dfrac{1+\ln x}{x}\right]##

on the other hand, using integration by parts( without using part (a) and (b)), gives me
##\int \dfrac{\ln x}{x^3} dx =\dfrac{-\ln x}{2x^2} + \int \left[\dfrac{-1}{2x^2}⋅\dfrac{1}{x}\right] dx##

##= -\dfrac{\ln x}{2x^2}+ \int \dfrac{-1}{2x^3} dx##

##= -\dfrac{\ln x}{2x^2}-\dfrac{1}{4x^2} +c##

but this does not satisfy my curiosity, as i did not use part (a), was there a mistake on the textbook or am i simply missing out on something?
 
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So we have as you said

Equation 1
##\frac{d}{dx}\left(\frac{ \ln x}{x} \right) = \frac{1- \ln x}{x^2} = \frac{1}{x^2} - \frac{\ln x}{x^2}##

Which implies

Equation 2
##\frac{\ln x}{x^2} = \frac{1}{x^2} - \frac{d}{dx}\left(\frac{ \ln x}{x} \right)## This becomes important later

Starting with the integral

##\int \frac{\ln x} {x^3} \, dx = \int \frac{1}{x} \left(\frac{\ln x} {x^2} \right)\, dx##

substitute Equation 2 into the above

##\int \frac{\ln x} {x^3} \, dx = \int \frac{1}{x} \left( \frac{1}{x^2} - \frac{d}{dx}\left(\frac{ \ln x}{x} \right)\right)\,dx##

##\int \frac{\ln x} {x^3} \, dx = \int \left(\frac{1}{x^3} - \frac{1}{x} \frac{d}{dx} \left( \frac{\ln x}{x}\right)\right)\, dx##
Well the first term on the right hand side of the equals sign is easy enough to integrate readily

##\int \frac{\ln x} {x^3} \, dx = - \frac{1}{2x^2} - \int \frac{1}{x} \frac{d}{dx} \left( \frac{\ln x}{x} \right)\,dx##

Now use integration by parts on the integral on the right hand side of the equals sign

## v = \frac{\ln x}{x} ##
## dv = \frac{d}{dx} \left(\frac{\ln x}{x} \right) dx##
##u = \frac{1}{x}##
##du = - \frac{1}{x^2} ##

Plugging this all in

## \int \frac{\ln x}{x^3} \,dx = -\frac{1}{2x^2} - \frac{\ln x}{x^2} - \int \frac{\ln x}{x^3} \,dx##

## 2 \int \frac{\ln x}{x^3} \,dx = -\frac{1}{2x^2} - \frac{\ln x}{x^2} ##

##\int \frac{\ln x}{x^3} \,dx = -\frac{1}{4x^2} - \frac{\ln x}{2x^2} + C##

I get the same thing as you
 
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chwala said:
... but this does not satisfy my curiosity, as i did not use part (a), was there a mistake on the textbook or am i simply missing out on something?

Yes. Firstly, you made a sign error. Twice, so that your result remained correct. Secondly, as @PhDeezNutz demonstrated, you missed a trick by not using part (a) of the problem. You solved it by integration by parts
$$
\int (u'v)=uv-\int (uv')
$$
which is faster and more suitable in this case. However, using part (a) would have meant to use
$$
\mathcal{I}:=\int \dfrac{\log(x)}{x^3}=-\int \left(\underbrace{\dfrac{1-\log(x)}{x^2}}_{u'}\cdot \underbrace{\dfrac{1}{x}}_{v}-\dfrac{1}{x^2}\right)
$$
which results in an equation
$$
\mathcal{I}=f(x) -\mathcal{I} \Longleftrightarrow \mathcal{I}=\dfrac{f(x)}{2}
$$

The trick to using the additive symmetry: an integral that shows up on both sides of the equation with an opposite sign. You do not "solve" the integral, you express it with another function: ##f(x).## A similar trick exists for multiplicative symmetries.
 
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From a)
\frac{d^2}{dx^2}\frac{\ln x }{x}=-\frac{3}{x^3}+\frac{2}{x^3}\ln x
\frac{\ln x}{x^3} = \frac{1}{2}\frac{d^2}{dx^2}\frac{\ln x }{x}+\frac{3}{2x^3}
\int dx\frac{\ln x}{x^3} = \frac{1}{2}\frac{d}{dx}\frac{\ln x }{x}+\int dx\frac{3}{2x^3}
So the same result with you @chwala .
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
From a)
\frac{d^2}{dx^2}\frac{\ln x }{x}=-\frac{3}{x^3}+\frac{2}{x^3}\ln x
\frac{\ln x}{x^3} = \frac{1}{2}\frac{d^2}{dx^2}\frac{\ln x }{x}+\frac{3}{2x^3}
\int dx\frac{\ln x}{x^3} = \frac{1}{2}\frac{d}{dx}\frac{\ln x }{x}+\int dx\frac{3}{2x^3}
So the same result with you @chwala .

I really liked how you used the second derivative. Even though that’s not what the problem asked for I can still definitely appreciate it.

Edit: nvm you only used the second derivative so you could integrate it and get the first derivative and use part a) which is clever. Either way pretty cool.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Yes. Firstly, you made a sign error. Twice, so that your result remained correct. Secondly, as @PhDeezNutz demonstrated, you missed a trick by not using part (a) of the problem. You solved it by integration by parts
$$
\int (u'v)=uv-\int (uv')
$$
which is faster and more suitable in this case. However, using part (a) would have meant to use
$$
\mathcal{I}:=\int \dfrac{\log(x)}{x^3}=-\int \left(\underbrace{\dfrac{1-\log(x)}{x^2}}_{u'}\cdot \underbrace{\dfrac{1}{x}}_{v}-\dfrac{1}{x^2}\right)
$$
which results in an equation
$$
\mathcal{I}=f(x) -\mathcal{I} \Longleftrightarrow \mathcal{I}=\dfrac{f(x)}{2}
$$

The trick to using the additive symmetry: an integral that shows up on both sides of the equation with an opposite sign. You do not "solve" the integral, you express it with another function: ##f(x).## A similar trick exists for multiplicative symmetries.
I think it is fair that i fix the sign error, i will proceed as follows,

$$\int \dfrac{\ln x}{x^3} dx =\dfrac{-\ln x}{2x^2} - \int \left[\dfrac{-1}{2x^2}⋅\dfrac{1}{x}\right] dx + c$$

$$ =\dfrac{-\ln x}{2x^2} + \int \left[\dfrac{1}{2x^3}\right] dx+c$$

$$=\dfrac{-\ln x}{2x^2} +\dfrac{1}{2} \int \left[\dfrac{1}{x^3}\right] dx+c$$

$$=\dfrac{-\ln x}{2x^2} +\dfrac{1}{2} ⋅ \left(\dfrac{-1}{2x^2}\right)+c$$

$$= -\dfrac{\ln x}{2x^2}-\dfrac{1}{4x^2} +c$$
 
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