Solve the given problem that involves integration

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The discussion revolves around an integration problem involving the use of partial fractions and substitutions. Participants are exploring the evaluation of an integral expressed in terms of exponential functions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of partial fractions to evaluate the integral, with some questioning whether this method aligns with the problem's requirements. There are attempts to clarify the necessary substitutions and transformations needed for the integration process.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the substitutions needed to simplify the integral. There is acknowledgment of differing interpretations regarding the initial approach, but no explicit consensus has been reached. The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively engaging with each other's contributions.

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There are indications that the problem may have specific constraints or requirements that are not fully addressed, leading to some confusion about the appropriate methods to apply. Participants are also reflecting on their own assumptions and approaches to the problem.

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Homework Statement
See attached.
Relevant Equations
Integration
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For part (a),

Using partial fractions (repeated factor), i have...

##7e^x -8 = A(e^x-2)+B##

##A=7##

##-2A+B=-8, ⇒B=6##

$$\int {\frac{7e^x-8}{(e^x-2)^2}}dx=\int \left[{\frac{7}{e^x-2}}+{\frac{6}{(e^x-2)^2}}\right]dx$$

##u=e^x-2##
##du=e^x dx##
##dx=\dfrac{du}{e^x}##

...
also

##u=e^x-2##

##e^x=u+2##

$$\int {\frac{7e^x-8}{(e^x-2)^2}}dx=\int \left[{\frac{7}{e^x-2}}+{\frac{6}{(e^x-2)^2}}\right]=\int \left[{\frac{7u+6}{(e^x-2)^2}}\dfrac{du}{e^x}\right]=\int \left[{\frac{7u+6}{u^2(u+2)}}du\right]$$

...part b later...taking a break.
 
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chwala said:
Homework Statement: See attached.
Relevant Equations: Integration

View attachment 327853

For part (a),

Using partial fractions (repeated factor), i have...
Partial fractions is one way to evaluate the integral, but that's not what the problem is asking you to do. The four lines below are not relevant to the problem.
chwala said:
##7e^x -8 = A(e^x-2)+B##
##A=7##
##-2A+B=-8, ⇒B=6##

$$\int {\frac{7e^x-8}{(e^x-2)^2}}dx=\int \left[{\frac{7}{e^x-2}}+{\frac{6}{(e^x-2)^2}}\right]dx$$

##u=e^x-2##
##du=e^x dx##
##dx=\dfrac{du}{e^x}##
...
also
Not "also" -- below is what the problem is asking you to do.

In addition to the substitutions above, you should include these:
##e^x = u + 2##
and ##dx = \frac{du}{e^x} = \frac {du}{u + 2}##
chwala said:
##u=e^x-2##
##e^x=u+2##

$$\int {\frac{7e^x-8}{(e^x-2)^2}}dx=\int \left[{\frac{7}{e^x-2}}+{\frac{6}{(e^x-2)^2}}\right]=\int \left[{\frac{7u+6}{(e^x-2)^2}}\dfrac{du}{e^x}\right]=\int \left[{\frac{7u+6}{u^2(u+2)}}du\right]$$

...part b later...taking a break.
With the substitutions I added, you can replace everything involving ##e^x## and ##dx## in the starting integral with their equivalents in terms of u and du, in one step.
 
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Mark44 said:
Partial fractions is one way to evaluate the integral, but that's not what the problem is asking you to do. The four lines below are not relevant to the problem.

Not "also" -- below is what the problem is asking you to do.

In addition to the substitutions above, you should include these:
##e^x = u + 2##
and ##dx = \frac{du}{e^x} = \frac {du}{u + 2}##

With the substitutions I added, you can replace everything involving ##e^x## and ##dx## in the starting integral with their equivalents in terms of u and du, in one step.
I will check this out. Thanks.
 
Mark44 said:
Partial fractions is one way to evaluate the integral, but that's not what the problem is asking you to do. The four lines below are not relevant to the problem.

Not "also" -- below is what the problem is asking you to do.

In addition to the substitutions above, you should include these:
##e^x = u + 2##
and ##dx = \frac{du}{e^x} = \frac {du}{u + 2}##

With the substitutions I added, you can replace everything involving ##e^x## and ##dx## in the starting integral with their equivalents in terms of u and du, in one step.
True, the first part did not require partial fractions...it was straightforward...need to stop overthinking :cool: ...cheers @Mark44

...but part (b) will require thato0)...working on it.
 
for part (b) i have,

$$\int \dfrac{7u+6}{u^2(u+2)} du = \int\left[\dfrac{-2}{u+2}+ \dfrac{2}{u}+\dfrac{3}{u^2}\right]du$$

...

$$=\left[-2\ln (u+2) + 2 \ln u-\dfrac{3}{u}\right]$$

$$=\left[-2\ln e^x + 2 \ln (e^x-2)-\dfrac{3}{e^x-2}\right]$$

on applying the limits i end up with,

$$=\left[2\ln 4-2\ln 6-\dfrac{3}{4}\right] -\left[2\ln 2-2\ln 4-\dfrac{3}{2}\right]$$

$$=\left[\ln \dfrac{4}{9}-\ln \dfrac{1}{4}-\dfrac{3}{4}+\dfrac{3}{2}\right]$$

$$=\left[\ln \dfrac{16}{9}+\dfrac{3}{4}\right]$$

Bingo!

insight welcome guys!!
 
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