Solve the integral of differential equation

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The discussion revolves around solving an integral related to a differential equation involving the function y(t). The original poster presents an equation that includes an integral of y(τ) and its derivative, with specific initial conditions.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of the Laplace Transform as a method for solving the differential equation, with some expressing skepticism about its appropriateness for this problem. Others suggest differentiating the equation to eliminate the integral, leading to a simpler form.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, with some participants providing alternative perspectives on the use of the Laplace Transform versus direct differentiation. Guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of hyperbolic functions in the context of the solution.

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Initial conditions are specified, but there is some confusion regarding the application of the Laplace Transform and the resulting functions involved in the solution. Participants question the necessity of the chosen method given the problem's simplicity.

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Homework Statement



Solve the integral of differential equation

∫[itex]^{t}_{0}[/itex] y([itex]\tau[/itex]) d[itex]\tau[/itex] -[itex]\acute{y}[/itex] (t) = t

for t≥0 with y(0)=4

The Attempt at a Solution



take laplace both sides

[itex]\frac{Y}{s}[/itex] - sY + 4 = [itex]\frac{1}{s^{2}}[/itex]

Y [itex]\frac{1 - s^{2}}{s}[/itex] =[itex]\frac{1}{s^{2}}[/itex] - 4

Y [itex]\frac{s^{2}-1}{s}[/itex] =- [itex]\frac{1}{s^{2}}[/itex] + 4

Y = - [itex]\frac{1}{s(s^{2}-1)}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{4s}{s^{2}-1}[/itex]

Partial fraction - [itex]\frac{1}{s(s^{2}-1)}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{1}{s}[/itex] -[itex]\frac{s}{s^{2}-1}[/itex] +[itex]\frac{4s}{s^{2}-1}[/itex]

inverse laplace transform

1-cos(t)+4cos(t) = > 1+3cos(t)

but the answer is 1+[itex]\frac{3}{2}[/itex] (e[itex]^{t}[/itex] + e[itex]^{-t}[/itex])

Please check my solution

Thank you
 
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izen said:
[itex]\frac{1}{s}[/itex] -[itex]\frac{s}{s^{2}-1}[/itex] +[itex]\frac{4s}{s^{2}-1}[/itex]

inverse laplace transform

1-cos(t)+4cos(t) = > 1+3cos(t)
I think you mean cosh, not cos. It would be cos if the denominator were s2+1.
 
I have never like "Laplace Transform"- too mechanical. In particular, for this problem, using the Laplace Transform is using a cannon to kill a fly.

Here is how I would do this problem: differentiate both sides of the equation, with respect to t, to get rid of the integral: y(t)- y''(t)= 1 or y''- y= -1. We have initial conditions y(0)= 0 and y'(0)= 0 (from setting t=0 in the orginal equation). That's a very simple linear equation with constant coefficients. The characteristic equation has real roots so the solution will involve exponentials (and so cosh as haruspex says) not trig functions.
 
ohh thanks 1+3cosh(t) and then i can use the complex exponential formula to change cosh(t) to 1/2 (e^t + e^-t) thanks haruspex :)

HallsofIvy << I like your saying "using the Laplace Transform is using a cannon to kill a fly" could not agree more thanks for the the comment :)
 
HallsofIvy said:
I have never like "Laplace Transform"- too mechanical. In particular, for this problem, using the Laplace Transform is using a cannon to kill a fly.
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My teacher convinces the class that the Laplace transform is so powerful but like your saying maybe it is too powerful on such this simple problem. :)
 

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