Solve this multivariable limit using epsilon-delta methods

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The problem involves computing a multivariable limit using the epsilon-delta method, specifically the limit as (x,y) approaches (0,0) of the expression (x³ - y³) / (x² + y²).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss their familiarity with the epsilon-delta method and share their attempts at bounding the function. Some express uncertainty about their approaches and seek clarification on how to proceed. Others suggest using polar coordinates or the squeeze theorem, while some question the validity of their manipulations involving absolute values.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various methods to approach the limit. Some have provided insights into using definitions and inequalities, while others are questioning their previous reasoning and seeking alternative strategies. There is no explicit consensus on a single method yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the constraints of the epsilon-delta definition and the challenges of applying it in a multivariable context. There are discussions about the implications of specific values for x and y and how they relate to the limit being evaluated.

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Homework Statement



Compute the following limit with the epsilon-delta method
lim(x,y)->(0,0) of (x**3-y**3) / (x**2+y**2)

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The Attempt at a Solution


I don't remember much about the epsilon-delta method and I haven't used it for multivariable limits. I tried abs( f(x) ) <= abs(x**3)/(x**2+y**2) - abs(y**3)/(x**2+y**2) and then abs(x**3)/(x**2+y**2) <= abs(x**3)/x**2 = abs(x) and I did the same for y. Am I even going in the right direction and if so how would I finish this up?
 
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MeMoses said:

Homework Statement



Compute the following limit with the epsilon-delta method
lim(x,y)->(0,0) of (x**3-y**3) / (x**2+y**2)

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


I don't remember much about the epsilon-delta method and I haven't used it for multivariable limits. I tried abs( f(x) ) <= abs(x**3)/(x**2+y**2) - abs(y**3)/(x**2+y**2) and then abs(x**3)/(x**2+y**2) ,= abs(x**3)/x**2 = abs(x) and I did the same for y. Am I even going in the right direction and if so how would I finish this up?
Expand the difference of cubes.

x3 - y3 = (x - y)(x2 + xy + y2)

Change to polar coordinates.
 
How could I go about it without the use of polar coordinates? I would like to see the different ways to solve this.
 
MeMoses said:
How could I go about it without the use of polar coordinates? I would like to see the different ways to solve this.

Well, you know that |x| < δ and |y| < δ from the definition... use this to your advantage.
 
I would think of the squeeze theorem.
 
if I use |x| < δ and |y| < δ from the work I did initially the δ just cancel out and I get |f(x)| < δ-δ=0 which I know can't be right.
 
MeMoses said:
if I use |x| < δ and |y| < δ from the work I did initially the δ just cancel out and I get |f(x)| < δ-δ=0 which I know can't be right.

Think about what you're saying here...

Remember also that |x| ≤ (x^2+y^2)^(1/2) in this scenario...
 
Well now that I look at it, I cannot split up the absolute value in the numerator like I did. For instance if x=-2 and y=1, I would get(in the numerators) 9<=8-1 which is not true. So what other ways can I approach this?
 
MeMoses said:
Well now that I look at it, I cannot split up the absolute value in the numerator like I did. For instance if x=-2 and y=1, I would get(in the numerators) 9<=8-1 which is not true. So what other ways can I approach this?

Apply the definition.

[itex]\forall ε>0, \exists δ>0 \space | \space 0<|(x,y)-(0,0)|<δ \Rightarrow |f(x,y)-L|<ε[/itex]

Now massage the |f(x,y)-L| and use the fact that (x^2+y^2)^(1/2) < δ to finish your proof.
 
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Ok here's what I got. Correct me if I'm wrong.
If I fix my mistake I can set |f(x)| <= |x^3|/(x^2 + y^2) + |y^3|/(x^2+y^2) <= |x| + |y| < δ + δ = epsilon. Thus |f(x)-0| < 2δ=epsilon => lim = 0. I think that all makes sense. When you said massage the |f(x,y)-L| did you mean something like this or is there a better way for me to go about these problems, because I am not seeing it.
 
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MeMoses said:
Ok here's what I got. Correct me if I'm wrong.
If I fix my mistake I can set |f(x)| <= |x^3|/(x^2 + y^2) + |y^3|/(x^2+y^2) <= |x| + |y| < δ + δ = epsilon. Thus |f(x)-0| < 2δ=epsilon => lim = 0. I think that all makes sense. When you said massage the |f(x,y)-L| did you mean something like this or is there a better way for me to go about these problems, because I am not seeing it.

[itex]|f(x,y)-L| = |\frac{x^3-y^3}{x^2+y^2} - 0| = \frac{|x^3-y^3|}{|x^2+y^2|}[/itex]

From there you would massage your expression by using things like the triangle inequality and any useful facts you know into the form (x^2+y^2)^(1/2) < δ.
 

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