Solve xy'=2-x+(2x-2)y-xy^2: "Find All Solutions

  • Thread starter Thread starter Math10
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding all solutions to the differential equation xy' = 2 - x + (2x - 2)y - xy^2. Participants are exploring various algebraic manipulations and substitutions related to this equation.

Discussion Character

  • Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to manipulate the equation into a more workable form, using substitutions such as u = y - 1 and w = ux. There are discussions about algebraic errors and the implications of these errors on the solution process.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on correcting algebraic mistakes and suggested alternative substitutions. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these substitutions on the differential equation, with no clear consensus on the next steps or the correctness of the current approaches.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the differentiation of variables and the treatment of x as a variable rather than a constant. Participants are also encouraged to improve the clarity of their mathematical expressions for better understanding.

Math10
Messages
301
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


Find all solutions of xy'=2-x+(2x-2)y-xy^2.

Homework Equations


None.

The Attempt at a Solution


The answer in the book is y=1-1/(x(1-cx)).
Here's my work:
xy'=2-x+2xy-2y-xy^2
xy'=(xy^2-2xy+x)+2(1-y)
xy'=x(y-1)^2-2(y-1)
y'=(y-1)^2-2(y-1)/x
u=y-1
u'=y'
u'=u^2-2u/x
And now I'm stucked. Please help me, I've struggled with this problem for a long time.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Math10 said:

Homework Statement


Find all solutions of xy'=2-x+(2x-2)y-xy^2.

Homework Equations


None.

The Attempt at a Solution


The answer in the book is y=1-1/(x(1-cx)).
Here's my work:
xy'=2-x+2xy-2y-xy^2
xy'=(xy^2-2xy+x)+2(1-y)
You lost a minus sign. In the equation before the one above, you have -xy2 that became xy2.
Math10 said:
xy'=x(y-1)^2-2(y-1)
y'=(y-1)^2-2(y-1)/x
u=y-1
u'=y'
u'=u^2-2u/x
And now I'm stucked. Please help me, I've struggled with this problem for a long time.
I don't have any more suggestions at the moment, but I'll take a closer look in a little while.

BTW, there is no such word in English as "stucked."
 
Math10 said:

Homework Statement


Find all solutions of xy'=2-x+(2x-2)y-xy^2.

Homework Equations


None.

The Attempt at a Solution


The answer in the book is y=1-1/(x(1-cx)).
Here's my work:
xy'=2-x+2xy-2y-xy^2
xy'=(xy^2-2xy+x)+2(1-y)
You lost more than just the negative on "-xy^2"! You should have
xy'= -(xy^2- 2yx+ x)+ 2(1- y)

xy'=x(y-1)^2-2(y-1)
y'=(y-1)^2-2(y-1)/x
u=y-1
u'=y'
u'=u^2-2u/x
And now I'm stucked. Please help me, I've struggled with this problem for a long time.
 
Math10,
After you fix your algebra errors, with your substitution you should have an equation in x, u, and u'. Try the substitution w = ux. That should get you a new DE that is separable.
 
Let me try.
 
Here's my work:

xy'=2-x+2xy-2y-xy^2
xy'=-(xy^2-2xy+x)+2(1-y)
xy'=-x(y-1)^2-2(y-1)
y'=-(y-1)^2-2(y-1)/x
u=y-1
u'=y'
u'=-u^2-2u/x
w=ux
u=w/x
u'=w'
w'=-(w^2/x^2)-(2w/x)(1/x)
w'=-w^2/x^2-2w/x^2
w'=(-w^2-2w)/x^2
dw/(-w^2-2w)=dx/x^2
dw/(-w(w+2))=dx/x^2
A/-w+B/(w+2)=1
A(w+2)-Bw=1
A=1/2, B=1/2
(-1/2)ln abs(w)+(1/2)ln abs(w+2)=-1/x+C
(-1/2)(ln abs(w)-ln abs(w+2))=-1/x+C
ln abs(w/(w+2))=2/x+C
w/(w+2)=Ce^(2/x)
w=Ce^(2/x)(w+2)
w=wCe^(2/x)+2Ce^(2/x)
w-wCe^(2/x)=2Ce^(2/x)
w(1-Ce^(2/x))=2Ce^(2/x)
w=2Ce^(2/x)/(1-Ce^(2/x))
u=2Ce^(2/x)/(x(1-Ce^(2/x)))
y=1+2Ce^(2/x)/(x(1-Ce^(2/x)))
This doesn't match the answer in my book. Please check my work carefully and tell me where I got wrong if I'm incorrect.
 
Math10 said:
u=w/x
u'=w'
You didn't mean that, right?
 
So where did I make a mistake? What's wrong?
 
Math10 said:
u=w/x
u'=w'
haruspex said:
You didn't mean that, right?
Math10 said:
So where did I make a mistake? What's wrong?
You're treating x as if it were a constant - it's not. Instead of working with the equation, use the equivalent equation w = vx. Now, what is w'? What differentiation rule should come to mind?
 
  • #10
Let me try.
 
  • #11
I see how I got it wrong.
So with the substitution w=ux,
u=w/x
u'=(xw'-wx')/x^2
(xw'-wx')/x^2=-(w^2/x^2)-(2w/x)(1/x)
(xw'-wx')/x^2=(-w^2-2w)/x^2
Now what should I do?
 
  • #12
Math10 said:
I see how I got it wrong.
So with the substitution w=ux,
u=w/x
u'=(xw'-wx')/x^2
and x' equals what?
(xw'-wx')/x^2=(-w^2-2w)/x^2
Now what should I do?
There is a fairly obvious cancellation.
 
  • #13
So I got
xw'-wx'=-w^2-2w
wx'=xw'+w^2+2w
x'=(xw'+w^2+2w)/w
x'=w'/u+w+2
Now what?
 
  • #14
Math10 said:
So I got
xw'-wx'=-w^2-2w
I ask again, what is x' equal to? Think about what it means.
x'=w'/u+w+2
There's no point in reintroducing u.
 
  • #15
x'=w'x/w+w+2
Isn't it?
 
  • #16
Math10 said:
I see how I got it wrong.
So with the substitution w=ux,
Why did you make it harder on yourself by solving for u again? It's a lot simpler to differentiate the equation above than the one you have below.

And think about what you're doing. You're differentiating with respect to which variable?
Math10 said:
u=w/x
u'=(xw'-wx')/x^2
(xw'-wx')/x^2=-(w^2/x^2)-(2w/x)(1/x)
(xw'-wx')/x^2=(-w^2-2w)/x^2
Now what should I do?
 
  • #17
Math10 said:
x'=w'x/w+w+2
Isn't it?
No.
What does x' mean?
 
  • #18
The assumption for the beginning was that y was a function of x.
y'=dy/dx.
 
  • #19
So w'=ux'+xu' and what do I do next?
 
  • #20
Math10 said:
So w'=ux'+xu' and what do I do next?
What is x'?

By that, I mean what does x' mean?
 
  • #21
Math10 said:
Here's my work:

xy'=2-x+2xy-2y-xy^2
xy'=-(xy^2-2xy+x)+2(1-y)
xy'=-x(y-1)^2-2(y-1)
y'=-(y-1)^2-2(y-1)/x
u=y-1
u'=y'
u'=-u^2-2u/x
w=ux
u=w/x
u'=w'
w'=-(w^2/x^2)-(2w/x)(1/x)
w'=-w^2/x^2-2w/x^2
w'=(-w^2-2w)/x^2
dw/(-w^2-2w)=dx/x^2
dw/(-w(w+2))=dx/x^2
A/-w+B/(w+2)=1
A(w+2)-Bw=1
A=1/2, B=1/2
(-1/2)ln abs(w)+(1/2)ln abs(w+2)=-1/x+C
(-1/2)(ln abs(w)-ln abs(w+2))=-1/x+C
ln abs(w/(w+2))=2/x+C
w/(w+2)=Ce^(2/x)
w=Ce^(2/x)(w+2)
w=wCe^(2/x)+2Ce^(2/x)
w-wCe^(2/x)=2Ce^(2/x)
w(1-Ce^(2/x))=2Ce^(2/x)
w=2Ce^(2/x)/(1-Ce^(2/x))
u=2Ce^(2/x)/(x(1-Ce^(2/x)))
y=1+2Ce^(2/x)/(x(1-Ce^(2/x)))
This doesn't match the answer in my book. Please check my work carefully and tell me where I got wrong if I'm incorrect.
Your work above is what we call a "wall of text." I don't see a single space anywhere in your equations. This makes it much more difficult to understand what you have written. You can make things more readable by inserting spaces around addition and subtraction operations, and around '='.

Here's one of your equation with some spaces added:
w = wCe^(2/x) + 2Ce^(2/x)
If you want us to help you, put some extra effort into making it easier for us to do so.
 

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K