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The discussion revolves around counting problems related to four-digit numbers formed from the digits 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6, focusing on distinct digits and classifications as even or odd. Participants explore how to calculate the total number of such numbers and the specific counts for even and odd cases.

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  • Participants discuss various methods for counting four-digit numbers, questioning the impact of digit placement and the inclusion of zero as an even number. There are attempts to clarify the reasoning behind different approaches, particularly regarding the thousands and ones positions.

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Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights and corrections to each other's reasoning. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in distinguishing between cases based on the digits chosen, particularly concerning the placement of zero and the classification of even and odd numbers.

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Some participants express frustration with the lack of clear explanations in their textbook, indicating that the problems may be more challenging due to insufficient guidance on the underlying concepts.

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Homework Statement



----1. From the digits 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, how many four-digit numbers with distinct digits can be constructed? How many of these are even numbers?

----2. How many integers between 1000 and 9999 inclusive have distinct digits? Of these how many are odd numbers?

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----1. The first question is straight forward.

There are four-digit numbers: _ _ _ _
From left-to-right on possibilities: 6 (can't be zero; hence, 6 versus 7) * 6 * 5 * 4
Answer: 720 possibilities.

The second type of question is where the troubles begin.

Does anyone know of a simple online tutorial that would help? I'm sure this is all obvious but it is not to me.

The following is an attempt. . .

There are four-digit numbers: _ _ _ _
From right-to-left on possibilities: 3 (even numbers), 6 (even or odd), 5 (even or odd), 3 (even or odd but no zero)
Wrong answer: 270 possibilities.

Where am I going wrong?

----2. Again, the first part is easy for the second problem. The answer is 9*9*8*7 = 4,536.

The second part confuses me.
From right-to-left on possibilities: 5 (odd numbers), 9, 8, 6
Wrong answer: 5*9*8*6 = 2,160.

According to the textbook, from right-to-left the answer really is: 5, 8, 8, 7.
Why is this correct? Why those particular numbers?
 
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There are four-digit numbers: _ _ _ _
From right-to-left on possibilities: 3 (even numbers), 6 (even or odd), 5 (even or odd), 3 (even or odd but no zero)
Wrong answer: 270 possibilities.

Where am I going wrong?
0 is an even number, so you have to choose from 4 digits to start with. Then the rest changes depending on whether or not you chose 0. It will affect the thousands digit.

The second part confuses me.
From right-to-left on possibilities: 5 (odd numbers), 9, 8, 6
Wrong answer: 5*9*8*6 = 2,160.

According to the textbook, from right-to-left the answer really is: 5, 8, 8, 7.
Why is this correct? Why those particular numbers?

Are you sure it is right-to-left? I always place my digits depending where stipulations are. So I would place Ones, Thousands, (the order doesn't matter for the others). If your choice affects another position, I try to do that position first, unless there are shared dependencies.
 
Thank you.

OK, I never thought of zero as an even number. When it comes to evens and odds, I've always considered them natural numbers. The ordering is as you say, as well.

----1. From the digits 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, how many four-digit numbers with distinct digits can be constructed? How many of these are even numbers?

Let me try this once more. . .

But this time I won't work right-to-left.

There are four-digit numbers: _ _ _ _
Ones position: 4 (even numbers)
Thousands position: 5 (non-zero, minus above selection)
Hundreds position: 5 (minus the two above selections)
Tens position: 4 (minus the three above selections)

That's not right, either. 420 is supposedly the answer.

----2. How many integers between 1000 and 9999 inclusive have distinct digits? Of these how many are odd numbers?

There are four-digit numbers: _ _ _ _
Ones position: 5 (odd numbers)
Thousands position: 8 (non-zero, minus above selection)
Hundreds position: 8 (minus the two above selections)
Tens position: 7 (minus the three above selections)

Answer: 2,240. This appears correct. If that is the case, why not the other problem?
 
There are four-digit numbers: _ _ _ _
Ones position: 4 (even numbers)
Thousands position: 5 (non-zero, minus above selection)
Hundreds position: 5 (minus the two above selections)
Tens position: 4 (minus the three above selections)

I think you missed what I was saying by a little. It will affect the thousands digit if the ones digit was non-zero; it won't affect the thousands digit if it was zero. You need to do both cases and add them together.
 
I see. It would be nice if my textbook actually explained the solutions to these problems. Instead it leaves the student in the dark.

Once again, I thank you.

There are four-digit numbers: _ _ _ _

Ones position: 1 (zero as even number)
Thousands position: 6 (anything but zero)
Hundreds position: 5 (minus above two numbers)
Tens position: 4 (minus above three numbers)

Ones position: 3 (non-zero even number)
Thousands position: 5 (non-zero number and minus above number)
Hundreds position: 5 (minus above two numbers)
Tens position: 4 (minus above three numbers)

Answer: 6*5*4*1 + 5*5*4*3 = 420.
 

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