Counting problem social security numbers

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The discussion revolves around counting problems related to social security numbers, which are defined as 9-digit numbers where the first digit may be 0. Participants explore various aspects of counting these numbers, including total possibilities, even numbers, and specific digit conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to calculate the total number of social security numbers and explore conditions such as even digits, all digits being even, palindromic numbers, and the presence of the digit 8. There are discussions about whether certain assumptions lead to correct interpretations of the problems.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided responses that suggest alternative interpretations or corrections to initial assumptions. There is ongoing exploration of the calculations for parts c, f, and g, with some participants questioning the reasoning behind their answers and considering different approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with counting methods and assumptions, particularly regarding how to handle the presence of the digit 8 and the implications of counting methods on the total possibilities. There is also mention of the need for clarification on how to simplify certain expressions.

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Homework Statement


social security number is a 9 digit number.
the first digit may be 0
a. How many numbers are available
b. How many are even
c. How many have all of their digits even
d. How many read the same forward and backward
e. How many have none of their digits equal to 8
f. How many have at least one digit equal to 8
g. How many have exactly one 8.

The Attempt at a Solution


a. assuming we can have a number with all zero's i would say
10^9 because we have 10 possible choices for each of the 9 slots
b. I would assume half of part a
c. I would assume half unless there is some kind of fence post error.
d. I think it is 10*10*10*10*10*1*1*1*1
The middle number can be what-ever since its in the middle
so i have 10 choices for that. And the four numbers to the left of the middle can be anything so i have 10 choices for those but this restricts the numbers on the right so I have only 1 choice or those.
e. Since i have removed a possible choice I only have 9 choice for my 9 slots so it should be 9^9
f. this should be 10^8 because on one of them I only have one choice but the rest I have 10 choices.
g. On one of the slots I have one choice because it hast to be an 8 , but the rest can't have an 8 in them therefore I have 9 choices on the remaining 8 digits so the answer should be 9^8
 
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cragar said:

Homework Statement


social security number is a 9 digit number.
the first digit may be 0
a. How many numbers are available
b. How many are even
c. How many have all of their digits even
d. How many read the same forward and backward
e. How many have none of their digits equal to 8
f. How many have at least one digit equal to 8
g. How many have exactly one 8.

The Attempt at a Solution


a. assuming we can have a number with all zero's i would say
10^9 because we have 10 possible choices for each of the 9 slots
Right.
cragar said:
b. I would assume half of part a
You should write this as a number.
cragar said:
c. I would assume half unless there is some kind of fence post error.
I don't think so. How many choices are there for each of the slots? Is this number half of 109?
cragar said:
d. I think it is 10*10*10*10*10*1*1*1*1
The middle number can be what-ever since its in the middle
so i have 10 choices for that. And the four numbers to the left of the middle can be anything so i have 10 choices for those but this restricts the numbers on the right so I have only 1 choice or those.
Looks good, but you should simplify this number.
cragar said:
e. Since i have removed a possible choice I only have 9 choice for my 9 slots so it should be 9^9
OK
cragar said:
f. this should be 10^8 because on one of them I only have one choice but the rest I have 10 choices.
This one bothered me a little, but I think you're right.
cragar said:
g. On one of the slots I have one choice because it hast to be an 8 , but the rest can't have an 8 in them therefore I have 9 choices on the remaining 8 digits so the answer should be 9^8
OK
 
thanks for your response.
and on part c. it should be 5^9 because I have 5 even numbers to choose from on each slot.
and why does part f bother you.
 
cragar said:
thanks for your response.
and on part c. it should be 5^9 because I have 5 even numbers to choose from on each slot.
Which is quite a bit different from your first answer of .5 * 10^9
cragar said:
and why does part f bother you.
I was concerned that you were counting too many numbers.
 
ya i think i read part c to quickly . thanks for you help .
 
Now I think part f is wrong. Because all the ones that have at least one 8 should be the total numbers of possible social security numbers minus the ones that don't have any 8's
so i think the answer to f should be 10^9-9^9
And now I am not so sure about g . Because if I had an 8 in the first slot I would have one choice then 9 choices for the following, Then I would have to do another chart with an 8 in the second slot and then keep going down the line.
 
cragar said:
Now I think part f is wrong. Because all the ones that have at least one 8 should be the total numbers of possible social security numbers minus the ones that don't have any 8's
so i think the answer to f should be 10^9-9^9
And now I am not so sure about g . Because if I had an 8 in the first slot I would have one choice then 9 choices for the following, Then I would have to do another chart with an 8 in the second slot and then keep going down the line.

That's what I got for part f (612579511). For g I got the same thing as e (99). At first this seemed wrong but I think it is right. As you said, 98 is how many possibilities will have an 8 in (only) the first slot. All you have to do is recognize that any of the slots could be the one with the 8 and thus multiple that by the number of slots, so 98 * 9 = 99
 

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