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The discussion revolves around deriving the scalar Kirchhoff diffraction theory equation, specifically focusing on the application of Green's functions in the context of the Helmholtz equation. The original poster seeks assistance in completing their derivation, which involves understanding the relationship between the Helmholtz equation and Green's functions.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the equation using Green's theorem and expresses uncertainty about how to manipulate terms to reach the desired form. Other participants inquire about the progress and express urgency regarding the deadline.

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Some participants have made progress in their attempts to apply Green's theorem but are still grappling with specific details, such as the correct manipulation of terms and factors. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches, with no explicit consensus reached on the solution.

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[SOLVED] Green's Functions

Homework Statement


The basic equation of the scalar Kirchhoff diffraction theory is:

[tex]\psi(\vec r_1) = \frac{1}{4\pi}\int_{S_2}\left[\frac{e^{ikr}}{r}\nabla \psi(\vec r_2) - \psi(\vec r_2)\nabla (\frac{e^{ikr}}{r})\right] \cdot d\vec S_2[/tex]

where [itex]\psi[/itex] satisfies the homogeneous (three-dimensional) Helmholtz equation and [itex]r = |\vec r_1 - \vec r_2|[/itex]. Derive the above equation, assuming that [itex]\vec r_1[/itex] is interior to the closed surface [itex]S_2[/itex]


Homework Equations


Helmholtz Equation

[tex](\nabla^2 + k^2)\psi = 0[/tex]

Modified Helmholtz Equation

[tex](\nabla^2 - k^2)\psi = 0[/tex]

Has Green's Function

[tex]G(\vec r_1, \vec r_2) = \frac{\mathrm{exp}(-k|\vec r_1 - \vec r_2|)}{4\pi|\vec r_1 - \vec r_2|}[/tex]

Green's Function of three-dimensional Laplacian ([itex]\nabla^2[/itex]) is proportional to

[tex]G(\vec r_1, \vec r_2) \propto \int \mathrm{exp}(i\vec k\cdot(\vec r_1 - \vec r_2))\frac{d^3k}{k^2}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



We have [itex]\psi[/itex] as a solution of the equation

[tex](\nabla_1{}^2 + k^2)\psi(\vec r_1) = (\nabla_1{}^2 - k^2)\psi(\vec r_1) + 2k^2\psi(\vec r_1) = 0[/tex]

or

[tex]\nabla_1{}^2 \psi(\vec r_1) = -k^2\psi(\vec r_1)[/tex]

Which gives that

[tex](\nabla_1{}^2 - k^2)\psi(\vec r_1) = -2k^2\psi(\vec r_1) = 2\nabla_1{}^2 \psi(\vec r_1)[/tex]

So we can write the solution in terms of the Green's function for the modified Helmholtz Equation

[tex]\psi(\vec r_1) & = & \int_{V_2}G(\vec r_1, \vec r_2)2\nabla_1{}^2\psi(\vec r_1) dV_2[/tex]

And then I don't know how to take it from there to the solution. It doesn't look like it should be too hard, but I don't know how to do it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Devin
 
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Anyone, this is due tomorrow :(
 
Ok, I got a little further, still not sure how to finish it though...

I then apply Green's theorem to the RHS and get

[tex]\psi(\vec r_1) = 2\int_{S_2}(G(\vec r_1, \vec r_2)\nabla_2\psi(\vec r_2) - \psi(\vec r_2)\nabla_2G(\vec r_2, \vec r_2))dS_2 + 2\int_{V_2}\psi(\vec r_2)\nabla_2{}^2G(\vec r_1, \vec r_2)dV_2[/tex]

But we know that

[tex]\nabla_2{}^2G(\vec r_1, \vec r_2) = k^2G(\vec r_1, \vec r_2) - \delta(\vec r_1, \vec r_2)[/tex]

So the equation becomes

[tex]3\psi(\vec r_1) = 2\int_{S_2}(G(\vec r_1, \vec r_2)\nabla_2\psi(\vec r_2) - \psi(\vec r_2)\nabla_2G(\vec r_2, \vec r_2))dS_2 + 2k^2\int_{V_2}\psi(\vec r_2)G(\vec r_1, \vec r_2)dV_2[/tex]

The first term is close to what I need, it is

[tex]\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{S_2}\left[\frac{e^{-kr}}{r}\nabla\psi(\vec r_2) - \psi(\vec r_2)\nabla\frac{e^{-kr}}{r}\right]\cdot dS_2[/tex]

But I don't know how to change that negative to an [itex]i[/itex], or how to get rid of the extra term, or how to get rid of the extra factor of 2/3.
 
Ok, for the second term, we have

[tex]k^2\psi(\vec r_2) = -\nabla_2{}^2\psi(\vec r_2)[/tex]

And then

[tex]\int_{V_2}2\nabla_2{}^2\psi(\vec r_2)G(\vec r_1, \vec r_2)dV_2 = \psi(\vec r_1)[/tex]

So we bring it over to the other side, and divide by 4 to get

[tex]\psi(\vec r_1) = \frac{1}{8\pi}\int_{S_2}\left[\frac{e^{-kr}}{r}\nabla\psi(\vec r_2) - \psi(\vec r_2)\nabla\frac{e^{-kr}}{r}\right]\cdot d\vec S_2[/tex]

Which is only off by a factor of 1/2, and has those negatives instead of [itex]i[/itex]'s in the exponent.
 
Figured it out, the method I was using was the wrong one.
 
I still can't mark my threads as solved...
 

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