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The discussion revolves around a homework problem requiring a proof involving integers m and n, specifically showing that if x = 5m + 6 and y = 5n + 6, then their product xy can be expressed in the form 5k + 6 for some integer k. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and proof techniques.

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  • One participant presents their attempt at a solution, detailing the steps taken to express xy in terms of 5k + 6.
  • Another participant suggests revisiting an earlier step to clarify how to express the right-hand side in the desired form.
  • A different participant reassures the original poster that the proof may be simpler than anticipated, indicating that the conclusion can be reached more directly.
  • The original poster acknowledges their misunderstanding and expresses gratitude for the clarification provided by others.

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The discussion shows some agreement on the approach to the proof, but there is no consensus on the method initially used by the original poster, as they express confusion about the proof's complexity.

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Participants discuss the proof without resolving the underlying assumptions or the specific steps taken in the original poster's reasoning. There is an indication that the proof may be simpler than initially thought, but this remains a subjective interpretation.

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[SOLVED] Proof Thery Exercise

Homework Statement



Prove the following statement, where m and n are integers:

If x = 5m + 6 and y = 5n + 6, then xy = 5k + 6 for some integer k.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



X = 5 m + 6, Y = 5 n + 6
X * Y = (5 m + 6) * (5 n + 6)
X * Y = (25 mn + 30 m + 30 n + 36)
5k + 6 = (25 mn + 30 m + 30 n + 36)
5k = (25 mn + 30 m + 30 n + 36) - 6
5k = (25 mn + 30 m + 30 n + 30)
k = (5mn + 6m + 6n + 6)
5k + 6 = 5 (5mn + 6m + 6n + 6) + 6

I am stuck, maybe its with another method like "Contradiction or Contrapositive" proof, any help will be appreciated.
 
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Go all the way back to your third step:

If you obtained xy=(25mn+30m+30n+36) for integer m and n, can you rewrite the righthand side in terms of 5k+6 for some integer k? Your last step essentially does this.

At step 4, you decided to assume what you wanted to be true and then proceeded from there without finding a contradiction so you got stuck.
 
cannibal said:
X = 5 m + 6, Y = 5 n + 6
X * Y = (5 m + 6) * (5 n + 6)
X * Y = (25 mn + 30 m + 30 n + 36)

Hi cannibal! :smile:

I think you're frightened of mathematical proofs, and you're expecting them to be much longer than they really are.

So when you got to line 3, which is really the end, you thought "it can't be this easy", and you just carried on going … :rolleyes:

All you had to do was add:

"So X*Y = 5k + 6, where k is the integer 5mn + 6m + 6n + 6." :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi cannibal! :smile:

I think you're frightened of mathematical proofs, and you're expecting them to be much longer than they really are.

So when you got to line 3, which is really the end, you thought "it can't be this easy", and you just carried on going … :rolleyes:

All you had to do was add:

"So X*Y = 5k + 6, where k is the integer 5mn + 6m + 6n + 6." :smile:



Oh i see, in i was really expecting the problem to be much longer, that is why i got stuck, Thank you very much for your help "tiny-tim" and "jhicks".

:approve:
 

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