Solving 2D Force Systems for Calculating Equilibrium

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem involving 2D force systems and static equilibrium, specifically related to calculating forces acting on a sack suspended by a rope. Participants are exploring the setup and equations necessary to analyze the forces in the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the importance of drawing a free body diagram and labeling forces. There are attempts to set up equations of statics, with some questioning how to relate the information provided to write effective equations. Others express confusion about the use of trigonometric functions and the need for angles in their calculations.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to setting up the problem. Some participants have provided guidance on starting points, such as drawing diagrams and considering the equilibrium conditions. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed, as participants continue to seek clarity on their calculations and assumptions.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is a noted uncertainty regarding the application of trigonometric functions and the relationships between the forces involved.

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Homework Statement


I attached a picture of the question.
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Homework Equations


∑Fx=0
∑Fy=0
100kg(9.8)= 981 N

I am not sure how to start this problem. Everything else in this chapter is a breeze so perhaps a small insight or how to start would be sufficient, thanks.
 
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Oxford365 said:

Homework Statement


I attached a picture of the question.
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Homework Equations


∑Fx=0
∑Fy=0
100kg(9.8)= 981 N

I am not sure how to start this problem. Everything else in this chapter is a breeze so perhaps a small insight or how to start would be sufficient, thanks.
Start by drawing a free body diagram and labeling the forces acting on the sack.
 
SteamKing said:
Start by drawing a free body diagram and labeling the forces acting on the sack.
SteamKing said:
Start by drawing a free body diagram and labeling the forces acting on the sack.
 

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So far so good.

You are given the total length of the rope ABC and some other dimensions to help you figure out the angles.

You also know that this system is in static equilibrium, so you should start writing the equations of statics for this system.
 
SteamKing said:
So far so good.

You are given the total length of the rope ABC and some other dimensions to help you figure out the angles.

You also know that this system is in static equilibrium, so you should start writing the equations of statics for this system.

I set these equations up and I tried solving on my ti-89 but it did not work. I think I am thinking too much into this because it should be a fairly easy question.
FullSizeRender (4).jpg

Any advice for a new plan of attack?
 
Oxford365 said:
I set these equations up and I tried solving on my ti-89 but it did not work. I think I am thinking too much into this because it should be a fairly easy question.
View attachment 88678
Any advice for a new plan of attack?
The rope provides several pieces of information.

Since the sack is in static equilibrium, you know that the sum of the horizontal components of the tensions in rope segments AB and BC must equal zero.

Since the rope is a single continuous piece, the magnitude of the tension in segments AB and BC must also be equal.

What can you say about the sum of the vertical components of the tensions in segments AB and BC?
 
SteamKing said:
The rope provides several pieces of information.

Since the sack is in static equilibrium, you know that the sum of the horizontal components of the tensions in rope segments AB and BC must equal zero.

Since the rope is a single continuous piece, the magnitude of the tension in segments AB and BC must also be equal.

What can you say about the sum of the vertical components of the tensions in segments AB and BC?

The vertical components must equal 981 correct?
 
Oxford365 said:
The vertical components must equal 981 correct?
Yes.
 
SteamKing said:
Yes.
I'm not really seeing how I need to set up system of equations based on this
 
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Oxford365 said:
I'm not really seeing how I need to set up system of equations based on this
You may have to work thru a series of different calculations. Not every problem can be wrapped up in a neat system of equations to solve at one fell swoop.
 
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Oxford365 said:
I set these equations up and I tried solving on my ti-89 but it did not work. I think I am thinking too much into this because it should be a fairly easy question.
View attachment 88678
Any advice for a new plan of attack?
You have written expressions like ##\cos(\frac x{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}})##. Think about that again.
 
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haruspex said:
You have written expressions like ##\cos(\frac x{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}})##. Think about that again.
I see. I changed all of the trig functions to the inverses, but it is still not working out, I can't seem to find a simpler way to relate the info I am given and write better equations.
 
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Oxford365 said:
I see. I changed all of the trig functions to the inverses,
That would not be right either. To be invoking trig functions, or inverses thereof, there must be terms in the equation that represent angles. You have no need of such here. You can do everything in terms of side lengths and their ratios.
 

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