Solving a 3x3 System of Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a 3x3 system of equations using methods such as Gaussian elimination or Gauss-Jordan reduction. Participants are exploring the steps involved in manipulating the augmented matrix to find solutions.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various strategies for row operations, including multiplying rows by reciprocals and adding rows to eliminate leading coefficients. There is a focus on understanding the reasoning behind these steps rather than just applying them.

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Some participants express confusion about the process and seek clarification on the theory behind the methods. Others provide guidance on specific row operations and suggest alternative approaches to achieve a triangular form in the matrix. There is an acknowledgment of differing levels of understanding among participants.

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One participant notes that their learning environment emphasizes application over theory, which may contribute to their difficulties in grasping the underlying concepts of the methods discussed.

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Homework Statement



1 1 1 | 2
0 5 2 | 12
0 -4 8 | 0


Answer:

100 | -3
010 | 2
001 | 1

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How did they get the answer? I went over how to do 2x2 w/ someone but 3x3 seems different.

Basically this is how I'm thinking to do it:

Find position 1 which is 1 so don't do anything.
Go to position 2 which is 0, so good.
Go to three 0, so good.
Go to position 4, which is 5. Multiply the entire row with that 5 by the reciprocol of 5 (1/5).
Go to position 5 which is -4, needs to be 0. Multiply the first row by 4 then add that result to the row with the 4 in it. So basically: 4(Row1) + Row2 -> New Row 2

Then pretty much repeat with 8, then 2, then 1, then 1...remembering that

1. To get a 1, multiply by the reciprocal.
2. To get a 0 in row 2 in a position that has a 3, for example: -3(row 1) + row 2 => row 2


I'm not getting the right answer though. D:
 
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I would begin by adding 5*R3 to 4*R2. Then switch R2 and R3. Add R3 to R2. Can you take it from there?

<br /> \left[ <br /> \begin{array}{ccc|c} <br /> 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 2\\ <br /> 0 &amp; 5 &amp; 2 &amp; 12\\ <br /> 0 &amp; -4 &amp; 8 &amp; 0\\ <br /> \end{array} <br /> \right]<br /> →<br /> \left[ <br /> \begin{array}{ccc|c} <br /> 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 2\\ <br /> 0 &amp; 20 &amp; 8 &amp; 48\\ <br /> 0 &amp; -20 &amp; 40 &amp; 0\\ <br /> \end{array} <br /> \right]<br /> →<br /> \left[ <br /> \begin{array}{ccc|c} <br /> 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 2\\ <br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 48 &amp; 48\\ <br /> 0 &amp; 1 &amp; -2 &amp; 0\\ <br /> \end{array} <br /> \right]<br /> →<br /> \left[ <br /> \begin{array}{ccc|c} <br /> 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 2\\ <br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 1\\ <br /> 0 &amp; 1 &amp; -2 &amp; 0\\ <br /> \end{array} <br /> \right]<br /> <br />

Edit: I fixed it.

Amaz1ng said:
Go to position 4, which is 5. Multiply the entire row with that 5 by the reciprocol of 5 (1/5).
Go to position 5 which is -4, needs to be 0. Multiply the first row by 4 then add that result to the row with the 4 in it. So basically: 4(Row1) + Row2 -> New Row 2

D:

The problem with those two steps is that you're not helping yourself at all. Adding R1 to R2 only gets you a leading term in a2,1. So a good way to start is by considering R2 and R3, and trying to eliminate either entry a2,2 or a3,2.

If you're not familiar with the notation I'm using; ai,j corresponds to the entry in the ith row and jth column of matrix A.
 
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The problem with those two steps is that you're not helping yourself at all.

Yeah the thing is that I'm not learning exactly why I'm doing these things. We're not learning theory, just applications. I'm just given the steps and that's the end of that lol. Luckily my assignment is finished (TI-89 ftw), and I'll just have to ask in class how exactly to do a 3x3 before the test. :shy:
 
It's not hard. There's not much theory behind reducing a 3x3, 4x4 5x5...9x9... All you have to keep in mind is that you want to eliminate as many leading terms as possible. I'll show you an example:

Let's start with:
<br /> \left[ <br /> \begin{array}{ccc|c} <br /> 0 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 &amp; 8\\ <br /> 2 &amp; 3 &amp; 1 &amp; 5\\ <br /> 1 &amp; -1 &amp; -2 &amp; -5\\ <br /> \end{array} <br /> \right] <br />

What not to do: It's a bad idea here to add R2 or R3 to R1 since that will change the leading zero (in a1,1) to a 2 or a 1. So we do not change R1 yet. We can begin by switching R1 for R3, we want all leading terms to be in the first few rows, and the leading zeros to be at the bottom:

<br /> \left[ <br /> \begin{array}{ccc|c} <br /> 0 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 &amp; 8\\ <br /> 2 &amp; 3 &amp; 1 &amp; 5\\ <br /> 1 &amp; -1 &amp; -2 &amp; -5\\ <br /> \end{array} <br /> \right] <br /> → <br /> \left[ <br /> \begin{array}{ccc|c} <br /> 1 &amp; -1 &amp; -2 &amp; -5\\ <br /> 2 &amp; 3 &amp; 1 &amp; 5\\ <br /> 0 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 &amp; 8\\ <br /> \end{array} <br /> \right] <br /> → <br /> \left[ <br /> \begin{array}{ccc|c} <br /> 1 &amp; -1 &amp; -2 &amp; -5\\ <br /> 0 &amp; 5 &amp; 5 &amp; 15\\ <br /> 0 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 &amp; 8\\ <br /> \end{array} <br /> \right] <br /> → <br /> \left[ <br /> \begin{array}{ccc|c} <br /> 1 &amp; -1 &amp; -2 &amp; 5\\ <br /> 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 3\\ <br /> 0 &amp; 2 &amp; 3 &amp; 8\\ <br /> \end{array} <br /> \right]<br /> → <br /> \left[ <br /> \begin{array}{ccc|c} <br /> 1 &amp; -1 &amp; -2 &amp; 5\\ <br /> 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 3\\ <br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 2\\ <br /> \end{array} <br /> \right]<br /> <br />

What I did after changing R1 and R3 was I subtracted 2*R1 from R2, this eliminated the leading 2 in a2,1.
I then multiplied R2 by \frac {1}{5} After that I subtracted 2*R2 from R3, which eliminated the leading 2 in a3,2.

Do you see the gist of what is going on here? On most steps, I try to eliminate one of the entries on the bottom left-half of the matrix. I want to create a "triangular" shape so that I can have a rref for my matrix. Basically, I want to be able to just read off the answer.

Can you try to finish the Gauss-Jordan reduction on the matrix that I started?
 

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