Solving a Length of Curve with 0<t<2π: Find the Answer

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The problem involves finding the length of a curve defined by parametric equations for x and y, specifically over the interval 0

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the integral for the length of the curve and questions the philosophical reasoning behind the need to adjust the interval for correct results. Other participants provide alternative expressions for the differential arc length and discuss potential mistakes in the original calculations.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the calculations and questioning the original poster's approach. Some guidance is offered regarding the integration process, and there is acknowledgment of a mistake in the original setup, leading to a resolution of the issue.

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Participants are navigating through the implications of changing the integration limits and the correctness of their manipulations, indicating a focus on understanding the underlying principles rather than just arriving at a numerical answer.

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Homework Statement



Find the length of the curve:
x = 2a cos t - a cos 2t
y = 2a sin t - a sin 2t

0<t<2π

Homework Equations



[tex]L = \int_{C} dl[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, after a lot of manipulating and using trig identities, I get this:

[tex]L= 4a \int_{0}^{2\pi} \sin{t} dt[/tex]
When I solve, I get 0.
But - if I change the range to be not 0<t<2π but 0<t<π, and then multiply by 2 - I get 16a as the answer, which is correct.
My question is why? I can see why it is like that "numerically" but not "philosophically".
How do I identify a situation where I need to do it, without looking at the answers, next time?
And was I doing everything correct? Or maybe it just turned out to be the correct answer by accident?
Thanks!
 
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Likely you have a mistake somewhere. I get:

[tex]ds = \sqrt{x'(t)^2 +y'(t)^2}\ dt = 2\sqrt2 a \sqrt{1 - cos(t)}\ dt[/tex]

which gives the correct answer.
 
I had that too.
But:
[tex]2\sqrt2 a \sqrt{1 - cos(t)}\ dt = 2\sqrt2 a \sqrt{2 sin^2(\frac{t}{2}} dt = 4a sin(\frac{t}{2})[/tex]

Assuming that the trig identity is correct, what went wrong here?
The latter form is much easier to integrate.
 
oh. in the original integral I missed the [itex]\frac{t}{2}[/itex].
nevermind, problem solved.
 

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