MHB Solving a Tricky Chain Rule Question with Confusing Variables

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The discussion revolves around applying the chain rule to the function g(x,y) defined in terms of f(x,y). The user is confused about evaluating the function at specific points due to the logarithm's domain restrictions. They correctly identify that the expression 2ln(x+y) can yield valid results even when x+y is negative, as it can be squared. The key derivatives provided, f_y(0,-3) = -2 and f_x(0,-3) = 3, are essential for calculating g_y using the chain rule. Clarification on how to proceed with these derivatives is sought to resolve the confusion.
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Hello,

I have a tricky chain rule question, I think understanding it is more difficult than solving.

For the function z=f(x,y) it is given that:

f_{y}(0,-3)=-2

and

\[f_{x}(0,-3)=3\]

so for the function

\[g(x,y)=f(2\cdot ln(x+y),x^{4}-3y^{2})\]

choose the correct answer:

(1)
\[g_{y}(0,-3)=18\]

(2)
\[g_{y}(0,-3)=-6\]

(3)
\[g_{y}(0,1)=18\]

(4)
\[g_{y}(0,1)=-6\]

(5)
Non of the above answers

I am confused slightly. I thought to call

\[u=2\cdot ln(x+y)\]
and
\[v=x^{4}-3y^{2}\]

but when I put x=0 and y=-3, I can't get a value for u, since I get a negative value under the ln.

Can you assist clearing this up ? Thank you ! :confused:
 
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Their writing of the function is a bit sloppy. Remember $\displaystyle \begin{align*} 2\ln{(x+y)} = \ln{ \left[ (x + y)^2 \right] } \end{align*}$, which means you CAN have values of x and y such that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} x + y < 0 \end{align*}$, as squaring will make them positive.
 
I used the chain rule, and I called u= 2ln(x+y) and v=x^4-3y^2

I don't know how to proceed from here.
 
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