Solving Boat's Motion Under Retarding Force

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The discussion revolves around a problem in dynamics, specifically concerning the motion of a boat that experiences a retarding force after the engine is turned off. The force is modeled as an exponential function of velocity.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to solve a differential equation related to the boat's motion but encounters issues with the logarithm of a negative number. Some participants question the assumptions regarding the sign of the expression involved in the logarithm and explore the implications of the initial conditions on the solution.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing clarifications and corrections to the original poster's approach. There is a recognition of the importance of initial conditions in determining the validity of the logarithmic expression, and further exploration of the implications of these conditions is ongoing.

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The discussion includes a note about the potential pitfalls of relying on computational tools like Maple for solving integrals without a thorough understanding of the underlying mathematics.

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Homework Statement



boat turns off engine when it's attained [itex]v_0[/itex] at [itex]t = 0[/itex]. Starting from that moment the boat is slowed by retarding force [itex]F = Ce^{-kv}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]m\dot{v} = -Ce^{-kv}[/tex]

Throwing this in Maple gives me

[tex]v(t) = \frac{1}{k}\ln\left(\frac{-kC(t + C^{'})}{m}\right)[/tex]

This doesn't make sense to me--you can't take the log of a negative number and even if I remove that negative from the initial DE v(t)->inf as t->inf
 
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What makes you think this involves the logarithm of a negative number? Whether -kC(t+ C') is negative or not depends on C'. In particular, you know that when t= 0, v= v0. Putting this into your formula
[tex]v(0)= v_0= \frac{1}{k}ln\left(\frac{-kC(C')}{m}\right)[/tex]
which gives
[tex]\frac{-kC(C')}{m}= e^{kv_0}[/tex]
or
[tex]C'= -\frac{m}{C}e^{kv_0}[/tex]
which is negative. You will be taking the logarithm of a positive number as long as t< -C'. But when t= -C', what happens?


That's the problem with using Maple, or a computer or any such rather than doing it yourself! If you have done the rather simple integral yourself you wouldn't have had that question.
 
EDIT: thinking
 
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You missed the 'k' when solving for C'

[tex]C' = -\frac{m}{kC}e^{kv_0}[/tex]
 
Think I got it
 
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Thanks
 

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