Solving Cubic Equation: Positive Root Exists

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the cubic equation \(x^3 + ax^2 + bx + c = 0\) has at least one positive root when \(c\) is negative. The participants explore the implications of the roots being real or complex and the conditions under which the product of the roots must be positive.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the behavior of the cubic polynomial at large values of \(x\) and the implications of the signs of the roots. There is consideration of whether all roots are real and the nature of complex roots if they exist. Questions are raised about the validity of certain assumptions regarding the roots and their products.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering various perspectives on the problem. Some suggest using calculus and the Mean Value Theorem as alternative approaches. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of root behavior and sign changes, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem does not specify whether all roots are real, leading to different interpretations and considerations regarding the nature of the roots and their products.

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Homework Statement



Show that for negative c (a,b,c - real) equation [itex]x^3+ax^2+bx+c=0[/itex] has at least one positive root.
2. The attempt at a solution

Considering the equivalent form of the equation above for large |x|:
[itex]x^3(1+\frac{a}{x}+\frac{b}{x^2}+\frac{c}{x^3})=0[/itex] we can conclude that there exists at least one real root, because the function changes signes if x does the same.

Let r,s,t be some roots of this equation. At least one of them is real. The cubic polynomial on LHS can be written in the form:
[itex](x-r)(x-s)(x-t)[/itex]. Thus the equation admits the following form: [itex]x^3-(r+s+t)x^2+(rs+st+rt)x-rst=0[/itex]. Comparing yields: -(r+s+t)=a, rs+st+rt=b and -rst=c. Now if for example r is real and so are s and t, then in order for c to be negative the product rst must be positive. This in turn is true only if at least one the factors is positive.

Is it correct?

Now the task says nothing about whether all the roots are assumed to be real or not. In case only one root is real, for example r, is it correct to say that the product st is real?

Is there another way to solve the problem?
 
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littleHilbert said:
Now the task says nothing about whether all the roots are assumed to be real or not. In case only one root is real, for example r, is it correct to say that the product st is real?

If all are not real, then consider -rst=c. Supposing r is real, as above, then s and t must necessarily be complex conjugates of each other (otherwise the product rst would be complex, which is not allowed since c is real) , and so st>0, which gives r>0
 
There's a good approach to this problem using calculus.
 
littleHilbert said:

Is there another way to solve the problem?


You were getting close when you started thinking about changes of sign of the function. A polynomial is a continuous function, so if you can show it changes sign in some interval [0,X] for some (large) value of X, it has a root in that interval.
 
Yes, he understood that. That's why he asked "is this another way to solve the problem".
 
Mean Value Theorem.
 

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