Solving Definite Integral Homework: f(x)=4x^4-24x^3+31x^2+6x-8

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a definite integral involving a polynomial function, specifically ##f(x)=4x^4-24x^3+31x^2+6x-8##. The roots of the polynomial are denoted as ##\alpha, \beta, \gamma, \delta##, with a specific condition regarding the sum of two roots. Participants are exploring the implications of this condition on the integral's evaluation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss splitting the integral into two parts and consider the potential for cancellation through a change of variable. There is also a focus on the relevance of the condition regarding the roots' sum.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants sharing their attempts and insights. Some have successfully manipulated the integral, while others express confusion about the necessity of the given condition regarding the roots. There is no explicit consensus on the overall purpose of the condition, but various interpretations are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem is part of a series of questions, and there is uncertainty about the relevance of the condition that two roots sum to zero. The discussion includes references to additional questions that may provide further context.

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Homework Statement


Consider ##f(x)=4x^4-24x^3+31x^2+6x-8## be a polynomial function and ##\alpha, \beta, \gamma, \delta## are the roots of the equation ##f(x)=0##, where ##\alpha < \beta < \gamma < \delta##. Let sum of two roots of the equation f(x)=0 vanishes. Then the value of
[tex]\int_{2\alpha}^{2\beta} \frac{x^{\delta+1}-5x^{\gamma+1}+2\beta |x|+1}{x^2+4\beta |x|+1}dx[/tex]


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The Attempt at a Solution


I succeeded in finding the roots. ##\alpha=\frac{-1}{2}, \beta=\frac{1}{2}, \gamma=2## and ##\delta=4##.
Therefore, the integral is
[tex]\int_{-1}^{1} \frac{x^5-5x^3+|x|+1}{x^2+2|x|+1}dx[/tex]
I don't know how to proceed further from here. The only thing I can think of is to write the integral in two parts,
[tex]\int_{-1}^{0} \frac{x^5-5x^3-x+1}{(x-1)^2}dx +\int_{0}^{1} \frac{x^5-5x^3+x+1}{(x+1)^2}dx[/tex]

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Pranav-Arora said:
The only thing I can think of is to write the integral in two parts,
[tex]\int_{-1}^{0} \frac{x^5-5x^3-x+1}{(x-1)^2}dx +\int_{0}^{1} \frac{x^5-5x^3+x+1}{(x+1)^2}dx[/tex]
That's a very sensible step. Next, can you recombine them, by change of variable? You should get some cancellation.
 
haruspex said:
That's a very sensible step. Next, can you recombine them, by change of variable? You should get some cancellation.

Great! Thanks a lot. That thing never came into my mind. :smile:

I substituted t=-x in the first integral and the terms cancelled. :)

Is the answer 2ln2?
 
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Pranav-Arora said:
Is the answer 2ln2?

Yes. But what a strange question. Why did they tell you to suppose two of the roots sum to zero? If you can solve the equation as you did you don't need to be told that.
 
Dick said:
Yes. But what a strange question. Why did they tell you to suppose two of the roots sum to zero? If you can solve the equation as you did you don't need to be told that.

I am not sure about why did they give that piece of information. This question is a part of paragraph based questions. There are three questions. I was able to solve the other two so I did not post them here. Do you want me to post the other two questions too?

Can you help me in this thread: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=668114
 
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Pranav-Arora said:
I am not sure about why they did give that piece of information. This question is a part of paragraph based questions. There are three questions. I was able to solve the other two so I did not post them here. Do you want me to post the other two questions too?

Can you help me in this thread: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=668114

Sure, post them. Maybe that will give us clue about the strange assumption. I did look at the other thread. And I don't know. g'(1/2)=f(1/2). Haven't figured that one out yet either.
 
Dick said:
Sure, post them. Maybe that will give us clue about the strange assumption.

Here goes the questions:

Q.1) The value of the expression
[tex]\delta^{\beta}+\frac{1}{\delta^{\alpha}}+\delta^{ \gamma }+\gamma^{\delta}[/tex]
is:

Q.2) [tex]\int \left(\frac{x-\delta}{x-\gamma}\right)^{\alpha+\beta+\delta}dx[/tex]
 
Dick said:
Yes. But what a strange question. Why did they tell you to suppose two of the roots sum to zero? If you can solve the equation as you did you don't need to be told that.
I thought that was pretty strange, too. But I guess it does help you find the roots: if [itex]c[/itex] and [itex]-c[/itex] are both roots, then we have
$$0 = f(c)=4c^4-24c^3+31c^2+6c-8 = 4c^4 + 24c^3 + 31c^2 - 6c - 8 = f(-c)$$
so
$$48c^3 - 12c = 0$$
As ##c = 0## is not a root of ##f##, we must have
$$4c^2 - 1 = 0$$
and so ##c = \pm 1/2##
 
jbunniii said:
I thought that was pretty strange, too. But I guess it does help you find the roots: if [itex]c[/itex] and [itex]-c[/itex] are both roots, then we have
$$0 = f(c)=4c^4-24c^3+31c^2+6c-8 = 4c^4 + 24c^3 + 31c^2 - 6c - 8 = f(-c)$$
so
$$48c^3 - 12c = 0$$
As ##c = 0## is not a root of ##f##, we must have
$$4c^2 - 1 = 0$$
and so ##c = \pm 1/2##

Through observation, I was able to find one root. Then figuring out the other roots was easy. But thanks for the alternative way, if all the roots would have been fractional, I would never be able to find the roots through observation.
 
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Pranav-Arora said:
Through observation, I was able to find one root. Then figuring out the other roots was easy. But thanks for the alternative way, if all the roots would have been fractional, I would never be able to find the roots through observation.
I bet you could, if you use the rational root theorem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_root_theorem
 
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Ah, I always forget about that.
 

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