Solving Det(A) in an Invertible 5x5 Matrix with Adjoints

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The discussion revolves around finding the determinant of an invertible 5x5 matrix A with complex elements, given the condition that adj(adj(A)) = A. Additionally, there is a question regarding the span of two sets of vectors defined in terms of linearly independent vectors.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the definition and formula for the adjoint of a matrix, questioning how these relate to the determinant. There is an attempt to simplify the calculation of det(A) using properties of 5x5 matrices. In the second part, one participant argues for the inclusion of one span in another based on the definitions of the vectors, while questioning the linear independence of the new set.

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The discussion is active, with participants clarifying definitions and exploring relationships between the adjoint and the determinant. There are questions about the implications of linear independence and the dimensionality of the spans involved. No consensus has been reached yet, and multiple interpretations are being considered.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, which includes the definitions of adjoints and spans, as well as the linear independence of the original vectors.

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Homework Statement


a)A is an invertible 5x5 matrix with complex elements. Find all the values of det(A) where adj(adj(A)) = A. Use the definition of the adjoint (transpose of cofactor matrix)

b) u1,u2,u3 are linearly independent vectors in V. We define:
v1=u1+u2+u3, v2=u1-u2+u3, v3=-u1+3u3-u3
Does Sp{u1,u2,u3}=Sp{v1,v2.v3} ?


Homework Equations


a) The definition of adj(A)
b) If A and B are subsets of space V then Sp(A) = SP(B) iff A is in Sp(B) and B is in Sp(A).


The Attempt at a Solution


a) I tried to use the definition of the adjoint to find the adjoint of adj(A) but it quickly got so complicated that I couldn't see how to calculate det(A) from it. Is there a way to use the fact that A is a 5x5 matrix to simplify things?
b)I think that the answer is yes because obviously {v1,v2,v3} is in the span of {u1,u2,u3} because of their definition. And by solving the equation:
[v1|v2|v3][x]=[un] for all 0<n<=3 I can show that every u is a linear combination of v's and so {u1,u2,u3} is in Sp{v1,v2,v3}. Is that right?
Thanks.
 
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When you say you used the definition of adj(A), do you mearn you used the definition, or the formula? adj(A), is the (unique for det=/=0) matrix satisfying A*adj(A)= det(A)*Id.
 
I mean the formula: [adjA]_{ij} = (-1)^{i+j}*M_{ji}
Where M_{ji} is the minor (ji). (by minor (j,i) I mean the det of the matrix obtained by taking away the jth row and the ith coloum)
 
yes, I know that what was you used. I didn't ask for my benefit.
 
Now, what relation does det(A) have to [adjA]_{ij} = (-1)^{i+j}*M_{ji}?

As for B, you were told that u1, u2, and u3 are linearly independent. That means they are a basis for their span which must be of dimension 3. The real question is "Are v1, v2, and v3 linearly independent?"
 

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