Transition matrix between two bases?

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The discussion revolves around finding the transition matrix between two bases in a vector space. The original poster presents a basis So and a set of vectors S expressed in terms of So. The goal is to determine the transition matrix A that converts coordinates from S to So.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the bases and how to express vectors in terms of one another. The original poster attempts to set up the problem but expresses uncertainty about the correct approach for larger bases compared to simpler examples.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on the use of matrices to express the relationship between the bases, suggesting the use of an augmented matrix and elementary row operations to find the inverse of the transition matrix. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correct method, as the original poster questions the validity of their previous attempts.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential confusion regarding the setup of the transition matrix and the order of numbers involved, indicating that the original poster may be grappling with the specifics of matrix manipulation in this context.

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Homework Statement


Let So = {v1,v2,v3,v4} be basis of vector space V.
And S = {u1,u2,u3,u4} be set of vectors defined as follows:
u1 = 20v1 + 46v2 + 116v3 + 170v4
u2 = 20v1 + 86v2 + 147v3 + 174v4
u3 = 30v1 + 89v2 + 59v3 + 81v4
u4 = 15v1 + 27v2 + 12v3 + 9v4

Find transition matrix A from So to S which is transition matrix from S coordinates to So coordinates.



Homework Equations


I know how to find transition matrix, it's hard to explain put you want to but one basis down and the other basis next to it and turn one into identity matrix.



The Attempt at a Solution



So first off we know that S is a basis of vector space V since it just scalar multiples of So.

I have calculated transition for small basis like {(1,2),(2,1)} but am unsure how to set up for this problem

If someone can set it up for me or give advice on what to do I can solve it. Thanks in advance!
 
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You're given S=\vec{u} in terms of the basis S_0=\vec{v}. Or:

<br /> \begin{pmatrix}u_1\\u_2\\u_3\\u_4\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}20 &amp;&amp; 46 &amp;&amp; 116 &amp;&amp; 170\\20 &amp;&amp; 86 &amp;&amp; 147 &amp;&amp; 174\\30 &amp;&amp; 89 &amp;&amp; 59 &amp;&amp; 81\\15 &amp;&amp; 27 &amp;&amp; 12 &amp;&amp; 9\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}v_1\\v_2\\v_3\\v_4\end{pmatrix}<br />

Which can be written more compactly:

<br /> \vec{u}=T\vec{v}<br />

Where T is the transition matrix from S_0 coordinates to S coordinates. I hope this helps!
 
electricspit said:
You're given S=\vec{u} in terms of the basis S_0=\vec{v}. Or:

<br /> \begin{pmatrix}u_1\\u_2\\u_3\\u_4\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}20 &amp;&amp; 46 &amp;&amp; 116 &amp;&amp; 170\\20 &amp;&amp; 86 &amp;&amp; 147 &amp;&amp; 174\\30 &amp;&amp; 89 &amp;&amp; 59 &amp;&amp; 81\\15 &amp;&amp; 27 &amp;&amp; 12 &amp;&amp; 9\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}v_1\\v_2\\v_3\\v_4\end{pmatrix}<br />

Which can be written more compactly:

<br /> \vec{u}=T\vec{v}<br />

Where T is the transition matrix from S_0 coordinates to S coordinates. I hope this helps!
Okay so then I should take inverse of the T to find transition matrix?
 
Yes. You should be able to use:

<br /> \vec{u}=T\vec{v}<br />

To show that. It should take 1 line.
 
electricspit said:
Yes. You should be able to use:

<br /> \vec{u}=T\vec{v}<br />

To show that. It should take 1 line.
i just did thst, but apparently my answer was wrong. can you explain exactly the process? Do I use the numbers in the exact order you set up?
 
Make the augmented matrix:

<br /> A = [T|I]<br />

and do elementary row operations until you get:

<br /> B = [I|T^{-1}]<br />

Where I is the identity matrix. Does that help?
 
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