Solving DS for Line Integral: 5x^2 + 3y^2 = 4

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The discussion revolves around determining the differential area element \(dS\) for a surface defined by the equation \(5x^2 + 3y^2 = 4\) in the context of a line integral expressed as \(\int\int x+y \, dS\). Participants are exploring the transition from line integrals to surface integrals and the implications of this shift.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants question the nature of \(dS\) in relation to line integrals versus surface integrals, noting that \(dS\) typically pertains to surface integrals.
  • Others suggest parameterizing the surface with two parameters and expressing the integral in terms of these parameters, raising considerations about the limits of integration and the complexity of the resulting integral.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the parameterization of surfaces and the calculation of \(dS\). There is an exploration of different approaches, including the use of cylindrical coordinates for specific cases, but no consensus has been reached on a singular method.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the formulas and methods typically taught may not directly lead to the determination of \(dS\) in this context, indicating a potential gap in understanding or application of the concepts involved.

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Homework Statement



Say I have a line integral which I have simplified to:

\int\int x+y dS

Over some surface S, let's say 5x^2 + 3y^2 = 4 or something. Having arrived at this step, how do I determine dS? The formulas and methods we've been taught doesn't really lead to this step all that often but I'd like to know a general approach for determining dS when it is in this form.

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The Attempt at a Solution

 
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If you have ##dS## it is rather surface integral, not line one.
 
Here's a discussion on surface integrals:

 
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Gauss M.D. said:

Homework Statement



Say I have a line integral which I have simplified to:

\int\int x+y dS

Over some surface S, let's say 5x^2 + 3y^2 = 4 or something. Having arrived at this step, how do I determine dS? The formulas and methods we've been taught doesn't really lead to this step all that often but I'd like to know a general approach for determining dS when it is in this form.

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The Attempt at a Solution


You parameterize the surface with two parameters, say ##u## and ##v##. So you have$$
\vec R(u,v) =\langle x(u,v), y(u,v), z(u,v)\rangle$$Then express your integral in terms of ##u## and ##v## with ##dS = |\vec R_u \times \vec R_v|dudv## with appropriate ##u,v## limits.

In your example you could let ##z## be itself, solve the surface equation for ##x## in terms of ##y## and use ##z## and ##y## for your parameters. The actual integral for your example, which I'm guessing you just made up, might get ugly. If your example was circular instead of elliptical you might use cylindrical coordinates ##z,\theta## for your parameters.
 
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