Solving Exercise I.2 on Supersymmetry Algebras

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The discussion revolves around solving Exercise I.2 related to supersymmetry algebras, focusing on the transformation properties of fields under supersymmetry transformations and the algebraic structures involved. Participants explore specific calculations, commutation relations, and potential errors in their reasoning or existing literature.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in transforming the \(\psi\) field correctly due to complications introduced by the \(\Sigma_{\mu\nu}\) term.
  • Another participant claims to achieve the desired result by carefully commuting the gamma matrices with the spin matrix.
  • A participant outlines their intermediate steps, showing a specific expression that they believe should simplify to zero but cannot resolve the apparent contradiction.
  • One participant reflects on their earlier confusion and admits to having found a simpler approach but then encounters issues with the conformal superalgebra, particularly with sign discrepancies in commutation relations.
  • Another participant suggests that the discrepancies may stem from a mistake in the reference material being used.
  • A later participant discusses the relationship between supercharges and momentum, proposing a method for introducing gauge fields in supersymmetrical theories, while questioning the availability of such discussions in existing literature.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the resolution of the algebraic issues presented. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the calculations and interpretations of the supersymmetry algebras.

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Participants note potential errors in the literature and express frustration over sign discrepancies in their calculations, indicating that the algebra involved is complex and may depend on specific definitions or representations.

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Not sure if this is something you'd put in the homework help area or not, but I've started learning supersymmetry and seem to have hit a bump within the first few pages.

\delta_{\lambda}\varphi = \frac{1}{2}\lambda^{\mu\nu}M_{\mu\nu}.\varphi

for some field \varphi, which is one of S, P or \psi and \lambda^{\mu\nu}=-\lambda^{\nu\mu}

M_{\mu\nu}.\psi = -(x_{\mu}\partial_{\nu}-x_{\nu}\partial_{\mu})\psi - \Sigma_{\mu\nu}\psi

Where \Sigma_{\mu\nu} = \frac{1}{2}\gamma_{\mu\nu}, the Dirac matrix thing. I need to show that \delta_{\lambda}(\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\rho} \partial_{\rho}\psi) = \partial_{\mu}(\lambda^{\mu\nu}x_{\nu}\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\rho} \partial_{\rho}\psi)

The notes issue a warning that the algebra of operators, of which M_{\mu\nu} is a part, only asks on fields, so M_{\mu\nu}.(x^{\rho}\varphi) = x^{\rho}M_{\mu\nu}.\varphi and M_{\mu\nu}.(\partial^{\rho}\varphi) = \partial^{\rho}M_{\mu\nu}.\varphi

My problem is that I can't get the \psi field to transform in that nice way. The \Sigma_{\mu\nu} term screws it up and I end up with something I can't write as a total derivative!

If I've made zero sense here, I'm trying to do Exercise I.2 here.

Thanks for any help :)
 
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I get the desired result. Just pay attention when you commute the gamma^{rho} with the spin matrix.

Daniel.
 
That's what I was trying to do but I must be doign some stupid slip somewhere. Ignoring all the other parts of the question, I get it down to showing that

\frac{1}{4}\lambda^{\mu\nu}\Sigma_{\mu\nu}\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\rho}\partial_{\rho}\psi + \frac{1}{4}\lambda^{\mu\nu}\bar{\psi} \gamma^{\rho}\partial_{\rho} ( \Sigma_{\mu\nu}\psi) = 0

Commuting the Sigma and gamma spin matrices using the Dirac algebra turns this into

\frac{1}{2}\lambda^{\mu\nu}\Sigma_{\mu\nu}\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\rho}\partial_{\rho}\psi + \frac{1}{2}\lambda^{\mu\nu}\delta_{\mu}^{\rho}\delta_{\nu}^{\sigma}\bar{\psi}\gamma_{\rho}\partial_{\sigma}\psi

I don't see how that all turns to zero (since I've collected all the other terms into the required result). Obviously I'm doing which is pretty stupid and knowing me it's probably right infront of my face so feel free to make me look stupid by pointing it out because it begins to get to me, thanks :)
 
I've now realized the total pig's breakfast I was making of the above question and how much simpler it actually is. Just needed to think about it.

Unfortunately, now I'm stuck on the conformal superalgebra and this time it doesn't even involve matrices.

D.\varphi = -x^{\nu}\partial_{\nu}\varphi - \varphi

P_{\mu}\varphi = -\partial_{\mu}\varphi

The algebra has the result [P_{\mu},D]\varphi = P_{\mu}\varphi but I get the negative answer and the same happens with other commutators in the algebra, I get the right terms but signs wrong in places.

[P_{\mu},D]\varphi = P_{\mu}(D\varphi) - D(P_{\mu}\varphi)

= -\partial_{\mu}(-x^{\nu}\partial_{\nu}\varphi - \varphi) + D(\partial_{\mu}\varphi)

= x^{\nu}\partial_{\mu}\partial_{\nu}\varphi + \partial_{\mu}\varphi + \partial_{\mu}\varphi - x^{\nu}\partial_{\nu}\partial_{\mu}\varphi - \partial_{\mu}\varphi

= \partial_{\mu}\varphi = -P_{\mu}\varphi

It's the wrong sign but I can't see where I've made the mistake?!
 
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It could be a mistake in the book.

Daniel.
 
It's both in those BUSSTEPP lecture notes I linked to before and it's in 'Introduction to Supersymmetry and Supergravity' by West.

West defines P_{\mu} = \partial_{\mu} but that should still give the same conformal algebra (-1 factor cancels) just a slightly different representation.

Via similar, simple, computation I also get [P_{\mu},K_{\nu}] = -2\eta_{\mu\nu}D - 2M_{\mu\nu} instead of [P_{\mu},K_{\nu}] = 2\eta_{\mu\nu}D - 2M_{\mu\nu}.

If I just got a totally different answer, I'd know I'm doing something fundamentally wrong, but the fact it's just a sign error here and there and all I'm doing it taking derivatices of fields and x^{\mu} it's not complicated algebra. It's more frustrating that just getting it totally wrong!

This would be the week the entire SUSY group in my department go away for a conference!
 
It could be not polite to ask for help in this thread considering I have not got to help to the original poster, but in some sense it is a continuation. What I am banging my head against is at the observation that the supercharges are in some sense square roots of the momentum,
\{Q, \bar Q\} = ... P_\mu
Because then, if one thinks that minimal coupling amounts to replace the momentum operator by the minimally coupled
(P_\mu) \to (P_\mu - i e A_\mu - ... )
then it seems painfully obvious that the way to introduce the gauge fields in a supersymmetrical theory is to find a set of supercharges Q^N reproducing the new minimally coupled operator. It makes sense that in this way we are really bypassing Coleman-Mandula.

I would hope this to be stated in the first chapters of any supersymmetry book. I can not find it. I am wrong, or it is there and just they speak different language?
 
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