Solving Filament Failure Mode with Maths

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The discussion focuses on the failure mode of lamp filaments, specifically how thinner sections of the filament heat up more due to higher resistance. The original poster struggles with the mathematics behind this phenomenon, questioning why the thinner part, assumed to have a higher resistance, would get hotter. They derive equations using Ohm's law and the potential divider rule but initially conclude that increased resistance should reduce power and temperature in the thinner section. However, further clarification reveals that the power dissipated in the thinner section is indeed higher due to the constant current, leading to greater heating despite its smaller cross-sectional area. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the relationship between resistance, power dissipation, and temperature in filament behavior.
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Not homework but this seems the best place to post this. In a private conversation someone posted this explanation from a book on how a lamp filament fails..

when it comes to the filament in a lamp the book said the thinner part of the filament is hotter than other parts and evaporation occurs faster there because of smaller cross sectional area and higher resistance. This makes the thinner part even thinner until it breaks.

I'm having some trouble doing the maths to show that the thinner higher resistance part gets hotter...

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Ohms law

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Imagine the filament is made up of two resistors in series R1 and R2 (See diagram). Let R2 be the part that's getting thinner for some reason...

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The voltage on R2 is given by the potential divider rule..

VR2 = V * R2/(R1+R2)

The power dissipated in R2 is

WR2 = (V * R2/(R1+R2)2/R2

If you expand and simplify you get..

WR2 = (V2 * R2) / (R12 + 2R1R2 + R22)

So if R2 increases the power in R2 decreases due to the R22. That should reduce the temperature in R2 which is the opposite of what the book suggests. Have I made an error?
 
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I suspect the problem is to do with the physics of the filament. eg the thinner part has less surface area so although the power dissipated in that bit is lower the surface area is also lower so it's harder to dissipate the power.
 
CWatters said:

Homework Statement



Not homework but this seems the best place to post this. In a private conversation someone posted this explanation from a book on how a lamp filament fails..
I'm having some trouble doing the maths to show that the thinner higher resistance part gets hotter...

Homework Equations


Ohms law

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
Imagine the filament is made up of two resistors in series R1 and R2 (See diagram). Let R2 be the part that's getting thinner for some reason...

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The voltage on R2 is given by the potential divider rule..

VR2 = V * R2/(R1+R2)

The power dissipated in R2 is

WR2 = (V * R2/(R1+R2)2/R2

If you expand and simplify you get..

WR2 = (V2 * R2) / (R12 + 2R1R2 + R22)

So if R2 increases the power in R2 decreases due to the R22. That should reduce the temperature in R2 which is the opposite of what the book suggests. Have I made an error?
If R2 is small compared with the total resistance, the current through the combination will be roughly constant. The dissipation in in R2 will be I^2 x R2, so it is proportional to the resistance of R2. In your formula, R2 appears in both top and bottom, so your statement is not quite accurate.
 
Ah yes I'm forgetting that the square of a number less than 1 is smaller than the original number.
 
If R2 is the part getting thinner then, assuming R2 is same length as the rest of the filament R1, R2 will be bigger than R1, and
power in R2 = i*R2 = [V/(R1 + R2)]R2 which is > [V/(R1 + R2)]R1.

Question for you: why is R2 bigger than R1?
 

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