Solving First-Year Physics Textbook Puzzle: Adding Squared Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem from a first-year physics textbook involving the manipulation of two equations related to velocities and angles. Participants explore the process of squaring and adding these equations, seeking clarification on specific terms and the derivation of certain components.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Homework-related, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to derive a specific equation from two given equations involving velocities and angles.
  • Another participant suggests that the original poster should try squaring and adding the terms as a potential solution.
  • A later post questions the origin of the cosine term in the equations, indicating a lack of clarity on its derivation.
  • Participants discuss the importance of correctly applying the expansion of squared terms, specifically referencing the -2ab term in the context of the equations.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in their calculations, indicating a realization of having used the wrong formula for squaring differences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reflects a mix of confusion and attempts to clarify the mathematical steps involved. There is no consensus on the correct approach or understanding of the equations, as participants express differing levels of comprehension and make corrections to each other’s reasoning.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific mathematical identities and terms, but there are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions behind the equations and the derivation of certain components. The discussion does not fully clarify these aspects.

Who May Find This Useful

Students or individuals working on introductory physics problems, particularly those involving vector components and algebraic manipulation of equations.

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ok this is in an example in a first-year physics textbook, yet some how i spent an hour trying to solve it (identities, tricks, etc) and could not find a solution.

here is what the textbook states:
(1) v2f*cos[tex]\phi[/tex] = 3.5*10^5 - v1f*cos(37)
(2) v2f*cos[tex]\phi[/tex] = v1f*sin(37)

"now we sqaure these two equations and add them"

= 1.23*10^11 - 7*10^5*v1f*cos(37) + v1f^2*cos(37)^2 + v1f^2*sin(37)^2

(then it simplifies further)

I know that 1.23*10^11 is (3.5*10^5)^2 and that 7*10^5 is 2*3.5*10^5any help in explaining how this equation is derived would be a great help (ESPECIALLY how 7*10^5 seems to pop out of no where)
 
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Did you try squaring and adding the terms?
 
mohdhm said:
any help in explaining how this equation is derived would be a great help (ESPECIALLY how 7*10^5 seems to pop out of no where)

More importantly, where did that cos(37) come from?
 
sorry the cos 35 is supposed to be cos 37. my mistake.

Yes i did try adding them and squaring them. your point? why the **** would i take the time to ****ing type it down clearly for your convenience.
 
mohdhm said:
Yes i did try adding them and squaring them. your point?
You obviously missed something doing that. Remeber that -2ab when expanding (a-b)^2?
 
lol, you know what... i didn't forget that i should get -2ab... i made an even dumber mistake... i did (a^2 - b^2)

wow... thanks for pointing it out though, holy crap.
 

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