Solving Fluid Dynamics in Syringe: Magnitude & Pressure

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The discussion revolves around fluid dynamics in the context of a syringe filled with water. The original poster seeks assistance in calculating the force required to drain the syringe and the pressure of the water during this process, focusing on specific dimensions and time constraints.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the setup of equations related to fluid flow, including continuity and energy conservation principles. Questions about the dimensions of the syringe and the outlet are raised, as well as considerations regarding the presence of friction and the type of fluid flow involved.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various approaches suggested. Some participants emphasize the need for the original poster to show their work before receiving further assistance. Multiple interpretations of the problem's parameters and assumptions are being considered, particularly regarding the nature of the fluid flow and the dimensions provided.

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Participants note the importance of specific dimensions and the absence of a needle on the syringe, which may affect the analysis. The discussion also highlights the requirement for the original poster to demonstrate their attempts at solving the problem in accordance with forum rules.

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How would you go about solving the following problems regarding a syringe full of water?
First, find the magnitude of force required to be applied to a piston of an 85ml syringe with a 60mm diameter tube to drain the tube in 25 seconds through an outlet of 10mm diameter?
Second, what would the pressure of water be during this process in both the syringe and in the 10mm outlet?

Any help would be appreciated:)
 
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I moved this thread because it sounds life homework.

@flutrpooch , you must show your attempt at the solution before the helpers can help.
 
Is there any needle attached to the syringe? What is the length of the 10 mm outlet?
 
What equations can you setup for this problem?
I suggest you setup
1) one equation from the continuity equation that will relate the two cross section areas of 60mm and 10mm diameters and the respective velocities.
2) one equation from the fact that the fluid will be all drained within 25seconds
3) one equation that the rate of work from the force (plus possibly the work from the weight of the fluid, depends how the tube is oriented, vertical or horizontal) equals the rate of change of kinetic energy of the fluid in the tube and of the fluid in the outlet
 
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There is no needle involved and the 10mm outlet could be given a length of 10mm also.
 
There are typically two elementary level types of question re incompressible fluid flow.
  1. Work conserving, i.e. no drag. Use Bernoulli's equation (equivalent to part 3 of Delta2's reply).
  2. Laminar flow with drag.
I would guess you are supposed to be treating it as type 1.
Asking for the pressure in the narrow section makes no sense without further info. On what you have provided, you can only figure out the pressure difference between the sections.
 
Are you sure of the dimensions of that syringe: 6 cm diameter, 3 cm long? I’m thinking more like 2.5 cm diameter, 17.3 cm long.
 
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No , syringe dimension is ok
 
Which of the cases 1. or 2. of post #6 are we dealing with? Is there friction between the walls of the syringe and the water?
 
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Case 1 and we can ignore friction between walls and the water.
 
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flutrpooch said:
Case 1 and we can ignore friction between walls and the water.
Then follow the steps Delta2 set out for you in post #4.
 
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You haven't show us any attempt, I see you are new to Physics Forums (PF). :welcome:

According to the rules of PF you have to show us your work attempt with as much detail as you can before we ll be able to help.

You can write a decent post with equations and lots of math symbols even if you don't know ##LATEX## commands if at toolbar of the reply edit box, you press at the capital sigma icon ##\Sigma## and you ll get all sorts of symbols you can click to and are useful for math equations.
for example

∫S1v1dt=°S2v2dt, ϑv1/ϑt=0

are some equations I wrote using those symbols.
 

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