Solving for c: Is it Always Possible?

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The discussion revolves around determining a constant \( c \) in relation to a function \( f \) that has a bounded derivative on the interval [0,1] with the condition that \( f(0)=0 \). The original poster questions whether \( c \) can be defined as \( c = \frac{2 ||f||_{\infty}}{||f||_E} \) and considers the case when \( f \) is zero everywhere.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the independence of \( c \) from \( f \) and discuss how to bound \( f(x) \) based on its derivative. There are attempts to connect the definition of the derivative to the function itself, with questions about the implications of the bounded derivative.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing hints and exploring various interpretations of the relationship between \( f \) and its derivative. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integral representation of \( f(x) \) in terms of \( f'(x) \), but no consensus has been reached on the implications of these relationships.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on understanding the properties of functions within the context of Banach spaces, and participants express uncertainty about the connections between derivatives and functions in this framework. The original poster also notes a lack of reference material to clarify these concepts.

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The point to c being a constant is that it's independent of f, right? Try and read the question eliminating the 'norm' words. You have a function f(x) that has a bounded derivative on [0,1] and f(0)=0. Can you get a bound for f(x) in terms of the bound on the derivative?
 
Dick said:
The point to c being a constant is that it's independent of f, right?
Yes, you're right!

Try and read the question eliminating the 'norm' words. You have a function f(x) that has a bounded derivative on [0,1] and f(0)=0. Can you get a bound for f(x) in terms of the bound on the derivative?

Well I know that:

[tex]f'(x)= \lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}[/tex]

But I don't see how that is going to help...
 
If you are studying Banach spaces, you must know more about derivatives than just the definition. If you know f'(x) how can you find f(x)?
 
Dick said:
If you are studying Banach spaces, you must know more about derivatives than just the definition. If you know f'(x) how can you find f(x)?

[tex]f(x) = \int_0^x f'(t)\ \mbox{d}t[/tex]

I carefully looked two times in my notes from my instructor and I can't find anything that relates f to f' (in context of Banach spaces). Can you give please me another hint, Dick?
 
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dirk_mec1 said:
[tex]f(x) = \int_0^x f'(t)\ \mbox{d}t[/tex]
Take the absolute value of both sides of this, and then work from there.
 
Do you mean like this?

[tex]|f(x)| = |\int_0^x f'(t)\ \mbox{d}t| \leq \int_0^x |f'(t)|\ \mbox{d}t \leq \int_0^x |f'(t)|_{\infty} \ \mbox{d}t \leq \int_0^1 M \mbox{d}t = M[/tex]

Is this correct?
 
dirk_mec1 said:
Do you mean like this?

[tex]|f(x)| = |\int_0^x f'(t)\ \mbox{d}t| \leq \int_0^x |f'(t)|\ \mbox{d}t \leq \int_0^x |f'(t)|_{\infty} \ \mbox{d}t \leq \int_0^1 M \mbox{d}t = M[/tex]

Is this correct?

That's what I've been waiting for.
 

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