Solving for Nontrivial Solutions of a System of Linear Equations

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The discussion revolves around determining the values of 'a' for which a given system of linear equations has nontrivial solutions. The equations are presented in a matrix form, and participants explore concepts related to linear algebra, particularly focusing on the conditions for the matrix to be singular.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the determinant of the matrix and the existence of nontrivial solutions. Some express uncertainty about the concept of determinants and their relevance to the problem. Others suggest row reduction techniques and question under what conditions the matrix can fail to produce a unique solution.

Discussion Status

There is an active exploration of potential values for 'a' that could lead to issues in the row reduction process. Multiple values are suggested, and participants are engaging with hints and reasoning to clarify their understanding. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to navigate the problem without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that their instructor has not covered determinants, which may limit their ability to apply certain concepts effectively. Additionally, there is mention of undefined operations when substituting specific values into the equations.

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Homework Statement



For what values of a does the system

(a-1)x + 2y = 0
2x + (a-1)y = 0

have a nontrivial solution?

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Argh... I'm really bad at linear algebra, can't seem to grasp the concepts.

I know that if I make this into a matrix

[tex] \left[<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> a-1 & 2\\<br /> 2 & a-1<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right][/tex]

that the only way the system will have a nontrivial solution is if the reduced row echelon form is not the 2x2 identity, i.e. the matrix is singular. But I don't know how to use those ideas to solve it. Any help would be great!
 
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If the determinant is 0, what does that tell you about the system?
 


Pengwuino said:
If the determinant is 0, what does that tell you about the system?

For some reason, my prof hasn't taught us anything about the determinant. I've read about it, and I sort of have an idea of how it works, but I don't think our prof wants us to use it to solve problems.
 


Ok, so start reducing it to echelon form. Divide the first row by a-1. Under what conditions can you fail to get ones on the diagonal?
 


my intuition is telling me that a = 3 ... i did it like this:

[tex] \left[<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> 2 & a-1\\<br /> a-1 & 2<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right]<br /> \\<br /> \text{then}<br /> \\<br /> \left[<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> 1 & \frac{a-1}{2}\\<br /> \frac{a-1}{2} & 1<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right][/tex]

so from this we see that [tex]\frac{a-1}{2} = 1[/tex] because that would make row 2 a multiple of row 1, and subtracting it out would leave a row of zeros. so a = 3.

does it make sense? i feel like I'm missing something.
 


That makes a lot of sense. Sure a=3 is a problem. But keep going with the row reduction. Multiply the first row by (a-1)/2 and subtract it from the second row. There is another value of a that creates a problem.
 
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i was thinking that maybe a = 1 is also a problem, but if you substitute a = 1 into the original matrix, you can transform it into the 2x2 identity.

but if i try to put it into rref i end up having to divide by a-1, and if a=1 then it is undefined.

so I'm confused about that...
 


nietzsche said:
my intuition is telling me that a = 3 ... i did it like this:

[tex] \left[<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> 2 & a-1\\<br /> a-1 & 2<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right]<br /> \\<br /> \text{then}<br /> \\<br /> \left[<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> 1 & \frac{a-1}{2}\\<br /> \frac{a-1}{2} & 1<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right][/tex]

so from this we see that [tex]\frac{a-1}{2} = 1[/tex] because that would make row 2 a multiple of row 1, and subtracting it out would leave a row of zeros. so a = 3.

does it make sense? i feel like I'm missing something.

Like I edited my last post to say, just multiply the first row by (a-1)/2 and subtract from the second row. Then ask yourself when you can get a second row of zeros.
 


ah, i see

a = -1

thanks again dick. you're really saving my skin.
 
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nietzsche said:
ah, i see

a = -1

thanks again dick. you're really saving my skin.

Well, you are helping by using the hints and thinking about them. Not everyone does that.
 

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