Solving for Time: Differentiating Equation for Δt

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The discussion revolves around differentiating an equation related to the growth of graupel, specifically focusing on finding a change in time equation (Δt). The original equation presented is a derivative concerning mass flow rate, and participants are trying to clarify the relationships between various variables involved, such as diameter (D), liquid water content (LWC), and others.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are exploring the differentiation of a given derivative and questioning the necessity of further differentiation. There are inquiries about the dependencies of variables on time and the meaning of certain constants. Additionally, there is confusion regarding the transition between different forms of the equation presented.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the relationships between variables and the rationale behind the differentiation process. Some have provided insights into the context of graupel growth, while others are probing for more precise definitions and problem statements.

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There is ambiguity regarding the definitions of some variables and constants, particularly concerning their dependence on time and the implications of certain values being treated as constants. The original problem statement appears to be incomplete or unclear, leading to further questions about the setup.

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Homework Statement


How do you differentiate this to get a change in time equation?

we have:
(dm/dt) = (pi/4)(D^2)(V(D))(LWC)(E)

LWC = 2E-6
E=1

these two values aren't important until the very end when finding the actual time, just a plug and chug then. I'm having trouble solving for Δt!
need to get (delta t) so find the time.


Homework Equations



this is what we're looking for : Δt = ?



The Attempt at a Solution


(dm/dt)= (row)(pi/6)(3D^2)(dD/dt) = 343(pi/4)(D^2.6)(LWC)(E)
 
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DM1984 said:

Homework Statement


How do you differentiate this to get a change in time equation?

we have:
(dm/dt) = (pi/4)(D^2)(V(D))(LWC)(E)

LWC = 2E-6
E=1
This is very unclear. In fact, I am completely mystified by it.
For starters, you wouldn't differentiate this, since what you have already is a derivative.
To continue, you have a bunch of letters whose meaning you don't give. Are they variables? Do D and V(D) depend on t?

If E = 1 does it mean that LWC = 2*1 - 6 = -4?
Or are you writing 2 X 10-6?
DM1984 said:
these two values aren't important until the very end when finding the actual time, just a plug and chug then. I'm having trouble solving for Δt!
need to get (delta t) so find the time.

Homework Equations



this is what we're looking for : Δt = ?

The Attempt at a Solution


(dm/dt)= (row)(pi/6)(3D^2)(dD/dt) = 343(pi/4)(D^2.6)(LWC)(E)

What is "row" and where did it come from? Do you mean the Greek letter "rho" (## \rho##)?

How did (dm/dt) = (pi/4)(D^2)(V(D))(LWC)(E) change to (dm/dt)= (row)(pi/6)(3D^2)(dD/dt) and how is this equal to 343(pi/4)(D^2.6)(LWC)(E)?

Finally, if E = 1, why is it still being dragged along?
 
"(dm/dt)= (row)(pi/6)(3D^2)(dD/dt)=343(pi/4)(D^2.6)(LWC)(E)"

is directly from my instructor.

yes, I meant "rho".

this is for graupel growth. trying to find out how long it takes for a 1mm piece of graupel to grow to 5mm.

The original equation is (dm/dt)=(pi/4)((D)^2)(V(D))(LWC)(E)

D= diameter
LWC = liquid water content = 2 x 10^-6 g/cm^3
E = 1.0
rho = 0.6 g/cm^3
 
DM1984 said:
"(dm/dt)= (row)(pi/6)(3D^2)(dD/dt)=343(pi/4)(D^2.6)(LWC)(E)"

is directly from my instructor.

yes, I meant "rho".

this is for graupel growth. trying to find out how long it takes for a 1mm piece of graupel to grow to 5mm.

The original equation is (dm/dt)=(pi/4)((D)^2)(V(D))(LWC)(E)

D= diameter
LWC = liquid water content = 2 x 10^-6 g/cm^3
E = 1.0
rho = 0.6 g/cm^3

You never really answered Mark his questions, so I'll ask them again:

How does (dm/dt)= (row)(pi/6)(3D^2)(dD/dt)=343(pi/4)(D^2.6)(LWC)(E) change to (dm/dt)=(pi/4)((D)^2)(V(D))(LWC)(E)?

Do any of the variable D, LWC, V and other depend on t?

Why would you differentiate something if you're already given a derivative??

Why drag E along if E=1?

Can you present us with the exact problem description as it is given to you??
 

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