Solving for v(t) and a(t): Calculating B

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The discussion revolves around a particle's motion described by the path c(t) = . Participants are tasked with finding the velocity v(t), acceleration a(t), and a constant vector B related to the acceleration through a cross product. The problem also introduces a separate question regarding the relationship between a surface and a plane, specifically finding points on the surface where the tangent plane is parallel to the given plane.

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  • Participants discuss the process of finding v(t) as the derivative of c(t) and express varying levels of confidence regarding the relationship between a(t) and v(t). Some question the assumption that a(t) can be derived simply as the derivative of v(t), given its definition involving the cross product with B. Others explore the implications of finding points on a surface based on the gradient and its relation to a normal vector.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the relationships between velocity, acceleration, and the constant vector B. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definitions and relationships, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take for finding B or the points on the surface.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of vector calculus and the implications of definitions in the context of motion and geometry. There is a noted challenge in reconciling the definitions provided in the problem statement with standard derivative relationships.

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Homework Statement


A particle is moving along the path c(t) = <cos(t),sin(t),2t>. Suppose its acceleration a(t) is given by a(t) = v(t) x B where v(t) is the velocity and B(x,y,z) is a constant vector (i.e. independent of (x,y,z)).

Find v(t) and a(t)
Find B?



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Finding v(t) is relatively simple: v(t) = <-sint(t),cos(t),2>. Finding a(t) is more tricky and I don't know how to begin. I would be appreciative of at least the first step.
 
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You found the velocity v(t) by taking the first derivative of c(t), v(t)=c'(t) right? The acceleration is the derivative of the velocity. Why is that trickier?
 
Well, how did you find v(t) ?

a(t) has the same relationship to v(t) as v(t) has with c(t).

So, if finding v(t) from c(t) was easy, finding a(t) from v(t) should be equally easy, maybe easier.
 
I don't understand a(t) as simply being the derivative of v(t). That would be easy. Instead, I see a(t) as being defined as the cross product of v(t) with some vector B. Given this definition, how can I assume that a(t) = v'(t)?
 
TranscendArcu said:
I don't understand a(t) as simply being the derivative of v(t). That would be easy. Instead, I see a(t) as being defined as the cross product of v(t) with some vector B. Given this definition, how can I assume that a(t) = v'(t)?

v(t) and a(t) you find the usual way. a(t)=v(t) x B isn't a definition of a(t), it's a definition of B. Try and find B from that.
 
Okay, that makes sense. Thank you!

But another question: Suppose we have the surface, S, which is defined by x^2 + y^2 - z^2 + 1 = 0, and the plane, H, x - 3z = 0. I want to find all the points on S where the tangent plane is parallel to H. Here's how I tried to approach this:

I know the vector normal to H is <1,0,-3>. Therefore, are points on S which have gradients that point in the same direction as <1,0,-3> should be parallel. So, finding the gradient of S gives

graf f = <2x,2y,-2z> = <1,0,-3>, so,

x = 1/2
y = 0
z = 3/2, so, the point (.5,0,1.5) should satisfy the condition, right? Except then I realize that this point doesn't lie on the surface S. So I don't know how to proceed.
 
TranscendArcu said:
Okay, that makes sense. Thank you!

But another question: Suppose we have the surface, S, which is defined by x^2 + y^2 - z^2 + 1 = 0, and the plane, H, x - 3z = 0. I want to find all the points on S where the tangent plane is parallel to H. Here's how I tried to approach this:

I know the vector normal to H is <1,0,-3>. Therefore, are points on S which have gradients that point in the same direction as <1,0,-3> should be parallel. So, finding the gradient of S gives

graf f = <2x,2y,-2z> = <1,0,-3>, so,

x = 1/2
y = 0
z = 3/2, so, the point (.5,0,1.5) should satisfy the condition, right? Except then I realize that this point doesn't lie on the surface S. So I don't know how to proceed.

Two vectors can point in the same direction without having the same components. c*<1,0,-3> for any constant c is also parallel to <1,0,-3>, right?
 

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