Solving for z in C: |z|^2 + |z| - 2 = 0 and z^8 + z^6 + z^4 + z^2

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The discussion revolves around solving two equations in the complex plane: |z|^2 + |z| - 2 = 0 and z^8 + z^6 + z^4 + z^2 = 0. Participants explore the implications of these equations on the nature of the solutions.

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  • Participants discuss the first equation as a quadratic in |z|, noting that |z|=1 is a valid solution while questioning the nature of the solutions (real, imaginary, or complex). The second equation prompts questions about its completeness and the existence of real solutions, with some suggesting that i is a solution.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing hints and engaging in clarifications regarding the nature of the equations. There is recognition of the need for further exploration of the second equation, and some participants express disagreement on interpretations, indicating a dynamic exchange of ideas.

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There is mention of an initial oversight regarding the equality in the second equation, which has been corrected. The discussion also reflects on the constraints of the modulus in the context of complex numbers.

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find all z in C that verify simultaneously:

[tex]|z|^2 + |z| - 2 = 0[/tex]

[tex]z^8 + z^6 + z^4 + z^2 = 0[/tex]

Of the first equation I know that 1 is a root.
And I think i is a solution for the second one.
But I can't find a convincing solution.

EDIT: sorry I forgot the = 0
 
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Solve the first one as a quadratic equation in the REAL number |z|.
The solutions are |z|=-2, and |z|=1
Since the modulus cannot be negative, it follows that the solutions of eq.1 constitute the unit circle in the complex plane.

Your second "equation" is not an equation as it stands; something is missing.
 
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It was a good hint that arildno gave you. But I have to respectfully disagree with his statement that the second equation is not an equation. It is too an equation. As much as the first.

A couple more hints. You are correct that i is a solution of the second equation. Can there be any real solutions? Is the solution set of the first equation real or imaginary or complex?
 
interested_learner said:
But I have to respectfully disagree with his statement that the second equation is not an equation. It is too an equation. As much as the first.

It wasn't an equation when Arildno posted that, the original poster initially forgot an equals sign and I presume edited it when Arildno pointed this out.
 
We have:
[tex]z^{8}+z^{6}+z^{4}+z^{2}=z^{2}(z^{6}+z^{4}+z^{2}+1)=z^{2}(z^{4}+1)(z^{2}+1)[/tex]
 
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sorry arildno. I should have guessed something like that.
 
interested_learner said:
sorry arildno. I should have guessed something like that.
Punishment:
Make 50 genuflections&Ave Marias. :smile:
 

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