Solving Frictionless Freight Car's Initial Speed

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The problem involves a 5000-kg freight car that comes to rest after compressing two coiled springs, described by Hooke's law, with specific spring constants. The car's initial speed is to be determined based on the work done by the springs during compression over a specified distance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Hooke's law and the integration of force over distance to compute work done. There are questions regarding the configuration of the springs (side-by-side or end-to-end) and clarification on the distinction between force and work calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on integrating the force function and suggested using average force for calculations. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the calculations presented by the original poster, and further exploration is encouraged.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster has been working on the problem for an extended period and expresses frustration with the calculations. There is a mention of the specific distances and spring constants involved in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



A 5000-kg freight car rolls along rails with negligible friction. The car is brought to rest by a combination of two coiled springs as illustrated in the figure below. Both springs are described by Hooke's law and have spring constants with k1 = 1500 N/m and k2 = 3700 N/m. After the first spring compresses a distance of 32.1 cm, the second spring acts with the first to increase the force as additional compression occurs as shown in the graph. The car comes to rest 48.0 cm after first contacting the two-spring system. Find the car's initial speed


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What I did is coming up wrong, but I tried using F = -Kx for both springs and got for F(1) = 1500 * .48 = 720 and for f(2) got 588.8 making the total work 1308.3. I plugged this value into W = 1/2 MV^2 with v = 0.501 in the end. This is not right. I would be so grateful to anyone who could direct me on this one I have been working on it for 2 hours! Its making me crazy!
 
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To compute work done by a force F(x) that varies with distance, you must compute
[tex]\int_{d_0}^{d_1} F(x) dx[/tex]
For hooke's law springs, that would be [tex]\int_{d_0}^{d_1} kx \ dx[/tex]

Are these springs side-by-side or end-to-end with each other?
 


laurensummer said:

Homework Statement



A 5000-kg freight car rolls along rails with negligible friction. The car is brought to rest by a combination of two coiled springs as illustrated in the figure below. Both springs are described by Hooke's law and have spring constants with k1 = 1500 N/m and k2 = 3700 N/m. After the first spring compresses a distance of 32.1 cm, the second spring acts with the first to increase the force as additional compression occurs as shown in the graph. The car comes to rest 48.0 cm after first contacting the two-spring system. Find the car's initial speed


Homework Equations



What I did is coming up wrong, but I tried using F = -Kx for both springs and got for F(1) = 1500 * .48 = 720 and for f(2) got 588.8 making the total work 1308.3.
What? the total force is 1308.3, not work!
Strictly speaking, what you should do is integrate the force function over the stopping distance but because the force function is linear, you can just multiply the average force by the stopping distance.

I plugged this value into W = 1/2 MV^2 with v = 0.501 in the end. This is not right. I would be so grateful to anyone who could direct me on this one I have been working on it for 2 hours! Its making me crazy!
 


Stephen, there is a thinner/longer spring (k1) inside of a wider/shorter spring (k2) attached to a wall on the right.
I am going to try what you both have suggested to do and get back, thanks a million.
 

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