Solving Geometric Progression: Sum of h(1 + 3^h + 3^2h + ... + 3^(n-1)h)

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The discussion revolves around solving a geometric progression problem, specifically finding the sum of the series h(1 + 3^h + 3^2h + ... + 3^(n-1)h) under the condition that nh = 1. The goal is to show that this sum equals (2h)/((3^h) - 1).

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  • Participants explore the formula for the sum of a geometric series and question the correctness of the formula used. There is discussion about rewriting the series and manipulating it to derive the desired result. Some participants suggest alternative methods to approach the problem.

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Several participants have provided insights and hints that have led to progress in the discussion. There is acknowledgment of useful strategies, and one participant indicates they have arrived at a potential solution, though the discussion remains open for further verification and exploration.

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There is a mention of confusion regarding the formula for the sum of a geometric series, specifically whether to use n or n+1 in the formula. The condition nh = 1 is also a key constraint in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



This isn't the whole question, I understand the prior parts but somehow stuck on the "easy" part :( Need to solve a geometric progession problem.. find the sum of:

h(1 + 3^h + 3^2h + ... + 3^(n-1)h)

Where nh = 1

The sum should equal to (2h)/((3^h) -1) which is given as is a prove question

Homework Equations



N/A

The Attempt at a Solution



h(1 + 3^h + 3^2h + ... + 3^(n-1)h) --- this is the list

(h(1-(3^h)^(n-1)))/(1-3^h) --- using the formula Sn = a(1-r^n)/(1-r)

simplify slightly (using nh = 1)

= (h(1-3^(1-h)))/(1-3^h)

times top and bottom by -1 to match the denominator of answer

= (h(3^(1-h) - 1))/((3^h) -1)

and now I can't seem to get the final answer out.

Hopefully I've included enough info for you guys to understand what I'm going on about lol - and apologise for the excess of brackets :S

Thank you in advance :D
 
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Hi Maatttt0! :smile:

Maatttt0 said:

Homework Statement



This isn't the whole question, I understand the prior parts but somehow stuck on the "easy" part :( Need to solve a geometric progession problem.. find the sum of:

h(1 + 3^h + 3^2h + ... + 3^(n-1)h)

Where nh = 1

The sum should equal to (2h)/((3^h) -1) which is given as is a prove question

Homework Equations



N/A

The Attempt at a Solution



h(1 + 3^h + 3^2h + ... + 3^(n-1)h) --- this is the list

(h(1-(3^h)^(n-1)))/(1-3^h) --- using the formula Sn = a(1-r^n)/(1-r)

That is not the correct formula, is it? Isn't the correct formula

[tex]S_n=a\frac{1-r^{n+1}}{1-r}[/tex]

so with an n+1 instead of an n...
 
Advice: don't memorize any geometric series formula. Instead, try this:

If you have a geometric progression in r, i.e. S = a + ar + ar2 + ar3 + ... + arn, compute S - rS = S(1 - r) and then re-arrange. This leads you exactly to the formula micromass posted, but it really helps you see what's going on. I prefer to memorize a technique than a formula.

For your problem, you should start by re-writing S = h(1 + 3h + 32h + 33h + ... + 3(n-1)h) as S/h = 1 + 3h + 32h + ... + 3(n-1)h. Noting that this is a geometric progression in 3h, multiply both sides by 3h. Then, compute the difference (S/h) - (S/h)3h. Can you go from there?
 
Hey guys,

Thank you for both of the replies :)

micromass; I'm didn't think it was n+1 :S my formula booklet just has n by itself.

Unit; I got the answer to come out I think xD

3[itex]^{h}[/itex] * [itex]\frac{S}{h}[/itex] = 3[itex]^{h}[/itex] + 3[itex]^{2h}[/itex] + ... + 3[itex]^{nh}[/itex]

3[itex]^{h}[/itex] * [itex]\frac{S}{h}[/itex] = (3[itex]^{h}[/itex](1-3[itex]^{1}[/itex])) / (1-3[itex]^{h}[/itex])

S = -2h / (1-3[itex]^{h}[/itex]) then just times top and bottom by -1.

Is this what you were suggesting? Hinting to divide through by h and times through by 3^h was useful.
 
Maatttt0 said:
S = -2h / (1-3[itex]^{h}[/itex]) then just times top and bottom by -1.

Is this what you were suggesting? Hinting to divide through by h and times through by 3^h was useful.

Yes, that's exactly it! Well done :)
 
Unit said:
Yes, that's exactly it! Well done :)

Aha yay! Thank you Unit - muchly appreciated :D
 

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