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The discussion revolves around finding the function of a sinusoidal waveform described by e(t) = A * sin(wt + fi), where participants are analyzing the parameters A, w, and fi based on given conditions. The subject area includes sinusoidal functions and their properties in the context of oscillations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to determine the correct values for the angular frequency (w) and phase shift (fi) based on specific values of the sinusoidal function at given times. There are discussions about the implications of phase shifts and the relationship between different points on the sinusoidal curve.

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Multiple interpretations of the phase shift and its effect on the sinusoidal function are being explored. Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between phase shifts and the sine function's behavior, while others are questioning the calculations and assumptions made regarding the phase difference.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the phase shift and its representation in radians versus degrees. Participants are also grappling with the implications of the sine function's periodicity and how it affects their calculations.

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Okay I feel really stupid for getting wrong omega for such a trivial problem.

1. Homework Statement

Find the function of e(t) = A* sin(wt + fi)

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The Attempt at a Solution


A = 0.9 V
at t = 0 e(t) = -0.35, and therefore:
-0.35 = 0.9 * sin (w*0 + fi) / * arcsin
arcsin(-7/18)= fi
fi = -22.89 degrees = -0.4 rad

at t = 26 us , A = 0 V, and therefore:
0 = 0.9 * sin (w*26u -0.4 ) / *arcsin
0 = w*26 u - 0.4
w = 0.4/26 * 10 ^- 6
w = 15384 rad / s which is not correct
 

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Your phase difference between the points is not 0.4 rad. Be careful with multiples of pi. The -0.4 rad would mean you are approaching the (arbitrary) phase 0 soon. That is not true. Zero is where the curve goes from negative to positive, that is more than pi rad to the left or a 0.4 rad less than pi to the right.
 
mfb said:
Your phase difference between the points is not 0.4 rad. Be careful with multiples of pi. The -0.4 rad would mean you are approaching the (arbitrary) phase 0 soon. That is not true. Zero is where the curve goes from negative to positive, that is more than pi rad to the left or a 0.4 rad less than pi to the right.
Yes this is also bothering me - 0.4 rad = - 22 degrees ,it would mean sinusoide is 'moved' to the right for 22 degrees out of phase, also I look it this way like judging from picture, sine is moved from the phase of function -Asin(wt) = A*sin(wt+180) to the left for 22 degrees so it's Asin(wt+202 degrees) ,then I get that omega is w= 136197 rad/s
 
Your phase advances from "0.4 after a zero crossing" to "pi after this zero crossing", so pi-0.4.
Alternatively, from pi+0.4 (an alternative solution for the sine) to 2 pi (also an alternative solution), which gives the same difference.
This difference is your numerator.
 
I get that w= 105445.87 s^-1 ,but I don't understand why did I get as a result 0.4 rad,how can we prove this mathematically by equations,not just looking from graph.
 
Well, a sine reaches the same value (apart from 1 and -1) twice per oscillation. You have to "look at the graph" (or know the derivative at this point) to figure out which one applies to your case.
 

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